2020 Presidential Race

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#61,901
MontyPython said:
So you're saying that Obama's administration built cages designed to hold children taken from their parents.

Link please.
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They absolutely did. The photos used were taken during the Obama administration. Google it yourself. I realize you Dems like to rely on others for everything but come on, man. Do something for yourself sometime. You might find it rewarding and satisfying. Or, maybe not.
 
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SlingBlayde said:
And now the rest of the story. The reason there are 500 kids still separated from their parents is that the parents don’t want them back. The parents actually paid to have their children smuggled across the border so they could join them later after illegally crossing the border themselves. The NPR report conveniently left out that detail.
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Typical Trump disinformation.

Work with me here for a tic: Say you're living in a sh*thole country in Central America, got no job and no prospects. You set out for the US with your wife and kids, and upon reaching the border apply for asylum. But, with the new Trump reductions in allowable immigrants from your country, you're application is denied. So, what do you do now? Try to sneak across the border. And you fail... ICE picks you, your wife and your kids up. Throws all of you in a cell in Texas. Then you get your day in court, and the judge orders you deported.

Question: If at this point, you had the option to give your children a better life - an opportunity to live in the US - would you make the ultimate sacrifice, and leave them behind?

It's a horrible, terrible option to consider, but it's a stark reality for many immigrants.

After all, if your premise that the "parents don't want them back" were true, why would the parents bring their kids all the way up from that sh*thole Central American country with them in the first place?

Ah... I see the wheels turning in your head.

Trump's iron fist policies are absurd and unnecessary. As far as I'm concerned, as long as these people live by our laws and pay taxes (via withholdings from their employers) here in the US, I'm good with them being here. They're hardworking folks, desperate, and will do all the total sh*t jobs that you and I would never dream of doing (up for picking beans for 12 hours/day?).

We can do better.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
They absolutely did. The photos used were taken during the Obama administration. Google it yourself. I realize you Dems like to rely on others for everything but come on, man. Do something for yourself sometime. You might find it rewarding and satisfying. Or, maybe not.
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You have to excuse Monty, you can't expect him to know actual facts
 
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MontyPython said:
Typical Trump disinformation.

Work with me here for a tic: Say you're living in a sh*thole country in Central America, got no job and no prospects. You set out for the US with your wife and kids, and upon reaching the border apply for asylum. But, with the new Trump reductions in allowable immigrants from your country, you're application is denied. So, what do you do now? Try to sneak across the border. And you fail... ICE picks you, your wife and your kids up. Throws all of you in a cell in Texas. Then you get your day in court, and the judge orders you deported.

Question: If at this point, you had the option to give your children a better life - an opportunity to live in the US - would you make the ultimate sacrifice, and leave them behind?

It's a horrible, terrible option to consider, but it's a stark reality for many immigrants.

After all, if your premise that the "parents don't want them back" were true, why would the parents bring their kids all the way up from that sh*thole Central American country with them in the first place?

Ah... I see the wheels turning in your head.

Trump's iron fist policies are absurd and unnecessary. As far as I'm concerned, as long as these people live by our laws and pay taxes (via withholdings from their employers) here in the US, I'm good with them being here. They're hardworking folks, desperate, and will do all the totally sh*t jobs that you and I would never dream of doing (up for picking beans for 12 hours/day?).

We can do better.
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Stopped reading this ignorance at the word asylum.

You can’t claim asylum because you don’t have a job, but I’m the uneducated one... Lulz
 
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Ashevolle said:
Considering Republican leadership is just as bad or worse, where do you get off?
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I have to agree with you on that - for different reasons, of course. When Obama won and dems held both houses in congress, the dems voted in lock step. When Trump won and republicans held both houses of congress, the republicans frequently did not vote together to pass legislation. In retrospect I'd have to admit that the republicans just don't have the quality leaders that the dems do ... or else republicans are not totalitarian and are willing to step back from the party line ... probably could have been remedied with more dedicated leadership. I seem to remember a dem congressman (maybe from NJ) who bucked the party line and was told he'd never again be the dem nominee ... not very tolerant, but that's "leadership" at its totalitarian finest.
 
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MontyPython said:
Typical Trump disinformation.

Work with me here for a tic: Say you're living in a sh*thole country in Central America, got no job and no prospects. You set out for the US with your wife and kids, and upon reaching the border apply for asylum. But, with the new Trump reductions in allowable immigrants from your country, you're application is denied. So, what do you do now? Try to sneak across the border. And you fail... ICE picks you, your wife and your kids up. Throws all of you in a cell in Texas. Then you get your day in court, and the judge orders you deported.
The US should never let in unvetted criminals, period. Go try to sneak your family illegally across the border of ANY country and see what happens.

Question: If at this point, you had the option to give your children a better life - an opportunity to live in the US - would you make the ultimate sacrifice, and leave them behind?
Or just do the right thing and follow the process, or move to ANOTHER country (there are over 270 of them)

It's a horrible, terrible option to consider, but it's a stark reality for many immigrants.

After all, if your premise that the "parents don't want them back" were true, why would the parents bring their kids all the way up from that sh*thole Central American country with them in the first place?
To either abandon them off and hope they get in, or more likely these 500+ were not actual family members but kidnapped and used kids for coyotes and other criminals to get in
Ah... I see the wheels turning in your head.

Trump's iron fist policies are absurd and unnecessary. As far as I'm concerned, as long as these people live by our laws and pay taxes (via withholdings from their employers) here in the US, I'm good with them being here. They're hardworking folks, desperate, and will do all the totally sh*t jobs that you and I would never dream of doing (up for picking beans for 12 hours/day?).

They don't pay federal taxes, and they use Social Security fraud to get work, so no more felons please

We can do better.
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SLICKYINC said:
Stopped reading this ignorance at the word asylum.

You can’t claim asylum because you don’t have a job, but I’m the uneducated one... Lulz
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Yep. You're clearly uneducated and wholly ignorant.

Is it legal to cross the U.S. border to seek asylum?
March 1, 2019
Last updated October 22, 2020


Families escaping gang violence and persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have undertaken a dangerous journey to seek safety in the United States.
People arriving at the U.S. border have the right to request asylum without being criminalized, turned back, or separated from their children. Here’s how the process works:
What is asylum?
Asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who can demonstrate that they are unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:
  • race,
  • religion,
  • nationality,
  • membership in a particular social group,
  • or political opinion.
The right to seek asylum was incorporated into international law following the atrocities of World War II. Congress adopted key provisions of the Geneva Refugee Convention (including the international definition of a refugee) into U.S. immigration law when it passed the Refugee Act of 1980.
 
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MontyPython said:
Yep. You're clearly uneducated and wholly ignorant.

Is it legal to cross the U.S. border to seek asylum?
March 1, 2019
Last updated October 22, 2020


Families escaping gang violence and persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have undertaken a dangerous journey to seek safety in the United States.
People arriving at the U.S. border have the right to request asylum without being criminalized, turned back, or separated from their children. Here’s how the process works:
What is asylum?
Asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who can demonstrate that they are unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:
  • race,
  • religion,
  • nationality,
  • membership in a particular social group,
  • or political opinion.
The right to seek asylum was incorporated into international law following the atrocities of World War II. Congress adopted key provisions of the Geneva Refugee Convention (including the international definition of a refugee) into U.S. immigration law when it passed the Refugee Act of 1980.
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Hey genius, his point was that you said to seek asylum for lack of work, when that's not a legitimate reason to do so...
 
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MontyPython said:
Yep. You're clearly uneducated and wholly ignorant.

Is it legal to cross the U.S. border to seek asylum?
March 1, 2019
Last updated October 22, 2020


Families escaping gang violence and persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have undertaken a dangerous journey to seek safety in the United States.
People arriving at the U.S. border have the right to request asylum without being criminalized, turned back, or separated from their children. Here’s how the process works:
What is asylum?
Asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who can demonstrate that they are unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:
  • race,
  • religion,
  • nationality,
  • membership in a particular social group,
  • or political opinion.
The right to seek asylum was incorporated into international law following the atrocities of World War II. Congress adopted key provisions of the Geneva Refugee Convention (including the international definition of a refugee) into U.S. immigration law when it passed the Refugee Act of 1980.
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They have the "right" to seek asylum, but that doesn't mean you need to house them at The Peninsula before ultimately punting their asses back to Guadalajara.
 
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MontyPython said:
Yep. You're clearly uneducated and wholly ignorant.

Is it legal to cross the U.S. border to seek asylum?
March 1, 2019
Last updated October 22, 2020


Families escaping gang violence and persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have undertaken a dangerous journey to seek safety in the United States.
People arriving at the U.S. border have the right to request asylum without being criminalized, turned back, or separated from their children. Here’s how the process works:
What is asylum?
Asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who can demonstrate that they are unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:
  • race,
  • religion,
  • nationality,
  • membership in a particular social group,
  • or political opinion.
The right to seek asylum was incorporated into international law following the atrocities of World War II. Congress adopted key provisions of the Geneva Refugee Convention (including the international definition of a refugee) into U.S. immigration law when it passed the Refugee Act of 1980.
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You can’t sneak into a country illegally to “SEEK OUT “ asylum. Smh
 
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MontyPython said:
Yep. You're clearly uneducated and wholly ignorant.

Is it legal to cross the U.S. border to seek asylum?
March 1, 2019
Last updated October 22, 2020


Families escaping gang violence and persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have undertaken a dangerous journey to seek safety in the United States.
People arriving at the U.S. border have the right to request asylum without being criminalized, turned back, or separated from their children. Here’s how the process works:
What is asylum?
Asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who can demonstrate that they are unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:
  • race,
  • religion,
  • nationality,
  • membership in a particular social group,
  • or political opinion.
The right to seek asylum was incorporated into international law following the atrocities of World War II. Congress adopted key provisions of the Geneva Refugee Convention (including the international definition of a refugee) into U.S. immigration law when it passed the Refugee Act of 1980.
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One word blows up your point..."DEMONSTRATE"
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I was watching Anthony Bryant Logan the other day and he thought it would be about 25%
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Meh, probably. Just my ear to the street and looking at some of the social media and black people around me. I have a friend of mine that is just going to sit it out. No telling how many of those people are out there. That doesn't bode well for Biden, either.
 
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#61,925
MontyPython said:
Yep. You're clearly uneducated and wholly ignorant.

Is it legal to cross the U.S. border to seek asylum?
March 1, 2019
Last updated October 22, 2020


Families escaping gang violence and persecution in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have undertaken a dangerous journey to seek safety in the United States.
People arriving at the U.S. border have the right to request asylum without being criminalized, turned back, or separated from their children. Here’s how the process works:
What is asylum?
Asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who can demonstrate that they are unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:
  • race,
  • religion,
  • nationality,
  • membership in a particular social group,
  • or political opinion.
The right to seek asylum was incorporated into international law following the atrocities of World War II. Congress adopted key provisions of the Geneva Refugee Convention (including the international definition of a refugee) into U.S. immigration law when it passed the Refugee Act of 1980.
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Key words... Requested and Granted. You have to have permission to enter. Yes, it's a misdemeanor if you come across the border illegally.
 
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