2020 Presidential Race

[GSD82]

$750 the year he was elected. (Public record) When you fail at business you don't have to pay much.

Fail lol

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

She’s not going away. As a matter of fact she’ll be a lifelong politician because she’s not qualified or capable of earning anywhere near the salary and benefits she has now. In a few years she’ll be a millionaire while bashing capitalism and espousing a socialist/communist agenda and demanding everyone else make sacrifices while she enriches herself.

I'll bet she already has a 7 figure bank statement.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I realise as I'm from England and I don't have a dog in this fight, but could you help me with a few points:

Whilst I would not want Trump to be either my pastor or my daughters partner (the alleged stories here are incredibly damming about Bill Clinton), it seemed from afar that he tried to put your country first.

Right from day one it seemed the Democrat's never accepted the 2016 result culminating in a failed impeachment yet now the Republicans are painted as bad losers.

Trump never blew the world up as we were told and best of all he is the only one to stand up to the real danger in the world that is China.

However I think it would be very hard for USA to unite again under his leadership.

I hope I will not be shot down I genuinely would like to know the answers to the above.

Trump's strategy of governing was identical to his strategy of campaigning. He worked hard to keep his core base of support energized, but he never reached out to the other side. There was never any compromise or concessions made. At times, this could credibly be referred to as "pandering". It basically means that Americans either love him or hate him. The Trump Administration was under the belief that having a highly motivated and passionate base would be enough to win reelection. That appears to have been a (albeit slight) miscalculation.

 

[luthervol]

Its been over ran by the opinion side.

Its "facts" if it adds up to your predetermined view.

No one has played a greater role in making that happen than Trump - by design.
You remember "alternative facts"?
Sean Spicer's first night press conference about inauguration crowd size?

People warned of Trump's gaslighting strategy from the beginning.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

$750 the year he was elected. (Public record) When you fail at business you don't have to pay much.

Funny that you lefties equate success with the amount of personal tax one pays. Shows that you make nothing other than W2 wages. The concept of running businesses totally eludes you. That's why you have to steal from those that can.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Trump's strategy of governing was identical to his strategy of campaigning. He worked hard to keep his core base of support energized, but he never reached out to the other side. There was never any compromise or concessions made. At times, this could credibly be referred to as "pandering". It basically means that Americans either love him or hate him. The Trump Administration was under the belief that having a highly motivated and passionate base would be enough to win reelection. That appears to have been a (albeit slight) miscalculation.

And Biden is reaching out? Have you read his tax plan? He's gonna steal from everyone. That is not reaching out


Here's the phrase he should use in his next speech: "If you like your job...."

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No one has played a greater role in making that happen that Trump - by design.
You remember "alternative facts"?
Sean Spicer's first night press conference about inauguration crowd size?

People warned of Trump's gaslighting strategy from the beginning.

"Impeach the Mother f'er"

 

[BowlBrother85]

She’s not going away. As a matter of fact she’ll be a lifelong politician because she’s not qualified or capable of earning anywhere near the salary and benefits she has now. In a few years she’ll be a millionaire while bashing capitalism and espousing a socialist/communist agenda and demanding everyone else make sacrifices while she enriches herself.

Per both David Pakman and Brian Tyler Cohen on YouTube, AOC has already been offered her own prime time show on MSNBC. They tried to get her to replace Chris Matthews after he was forced out in May. AOC turned them down and they had to go with Joy Reid instead. It's not known what she would have made... but Rachel Maddow is paid $7 million per year.

 

[BeecherVol]

No one has played a greater role in making that happen that Trump - by design.
You remember "alternative facts"?
Sean Spicer's first night press conference about inauguration crowd size?

People warned of Trump's gaslighting strategy from the beginning.

Yes, "alternative facts" were no more invented by Trump than Gore bringing us the internet.

We look for "facts" where we think they will add up to what we want them to.

 

[London Vol]

Thanks for the observation from outside the crucible. And I can tell you that you’ll basically get two forms of answers right along party lines.

Democrats will say that Trump never did anything and had outside help to even win in 2016 even though their own POTUS claimed it wasn’t possible and they ran a partisan investigation (Mueller) which still didn’t result in material to remove him. They purposely obstructed his entire term. Which frankly happens in politics but it’s just a waste of time. And they ran a sham partisan impeachment which was stillborn even when started. Just full blown obstruction

On the Republican side this was a presidency most of us didn’t even expect to happen. And I think most of absolutely agree with your view of the man vs his policy. I was pleasantly surprised at his policy decisions and with the exception of a lack of fiscal responsibility largely agreed with his actions.

The Dems have threatened to unwind Trumps tax credits while chasing energy policy that threatens our energy independence which Trump got us to. They will of course deflect on the effectiveness of the tax policy which is idiocy everybody could see the impact on their own net income. We had a couple of threads on it here. This morning I read a couple of non partisan write-ups on Biden’s tax plan. It is not expected to deliver on its promises of revenue generation.

In ending Trump is a very divisive character. There was an expectation that he would change his demeanor after winning which I laughed at it got him to the White House why expect him to change.

What I am interested in seeing is how will the Republican Party respond going forward. Trump’s term is over however many good things for the GOP platform were moved forward in a term that wasn’t supposed to happen. Even a 6-3 conservative SCOTUS makeup now. If the GOP continues along the path they were put on in 2017 they’ve got my support. If instead they fall back on their old ways marching out lackluster establishment unappealing candidates I’m probably done with them. The next two years till our mid term elections are going to be very interesting.

Thank you for helping me understand more.

One other observation was that the Democrat's went after the BLM vote and looking at the number of voters, that did happen. Now going to the polls and not rioting is the correct way to change what you don't like but I suspect that the Democrats merely used the BLM to get into power and will now ignore their demands for radical change (Im not saying they are right or wrong but I suspect they feel Biden owes them and they will be really unhappy to be misled) And the Democrats are just as partisan as the Republicans so maybe NOBODYS going to be win. I really hope Im wrong as I think you are a great country

 

[0nelilreb]

That’s becoming a tired argument AV. The man has spent 47 years serving his country. Perhaps you should also ask yourself what you can do for your country instead of sitting back and whining.

Almost quoted JFK there didn’t cha ? Too bad you didn’t finish it , I would have loved to have seen the replies to it . Lol

 

[BeecherVol]

I really want to but man it’s hard with the amount of just stupid ******** that gets spewed. This isn’t a Democrat vs Republican thing. This is logical people vs Trumpers.

Eh.
I mean, it sounds like what you re supposed to say, truth be told neither side cares enough to try.
It was here before Trump. It will be here the next election cycle as well.

The reason, a massive divide in what people want from their government and a system that encourages it.

 

[vol4eva]

Melania is now telling Trump to accept the loss.

 

[0nelilreb]

Your choice. Continue to sit back and whine or gtf out of the way while we move this country forward.

LOL move the country towards your idea of forward without the Senate ? Good luck with that .

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Melania is now telling Trump to accept the loss.

Uh oh. He might dump her and find another voluptuous woman to shack up with. Lucky for him, there’s one in the same house.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Thank you for helping me understand more.

One other observation was that the Democrat's went after the BLM vote and looking at the number of voters, that did happen. Now going to the polls and not rioting is the correct way to change what you don't like but I suspect that the Democrats merely used the BLM to get into power and will now ignore their demands for radical change (Im not saying they are right or wrong but I suspect they feel Biden owes them and they will be really unhappy to be misled) And the Democrats are just as partisan as the Republicans so maybe NOBODYS going to be win. I really hope Im wrong as I think you are a great country

So on the whole BLM thing I view it as nothing more than pandering to thugs. I am on the right/conservative side of the line. This turnout was record breaking for both candidates even Trump pulled more votes than any other candidate before. On BLM take a look at the narrative. By pandering to the BLM side they alienated the police unions, many inner city business owners, etc ... As far as BLM protests hey the right to peaceable assembly is the first right called out in our Bill of Rights. More power to anybody doing that. However a large portion of the country also noted how many of these Democrat led cities fiddled with their city burned around them. So I’d submit that the BLM impact actually was split on election impact. Cheers.

 

[GSD82]

Melania is now telling Trump to accept the loss.

Jill is trying to tell joe he won but he doesn’t understand what she’s talking about.

 

[calban]

Funny that you lefties equate success with the amount of personal tax one pays. Shows that you make nothing other than W2 wages. The concept of running businesses totally eludes you. That's why you have to steal from those that can.

How could you possibly know how I've made my living? If it's all black and white and we're labeling and lumping everyone together it's also funny how the capitalist rigs the system with tax shelters, fights with all his might to cheat those that work for him out of a fair wage or moves his business to a foreign country where he can pay 10 year old children for piece work or pennies an hour and then sell his product in this country for insane profits.

 

[volinbham]

Trump's strategy of governing was identical to his strategy of campaigning. He worked hard to keep his core base of support energized, but he never reached out to the other side. There was never any compromise or concessions made. At times, this could credibly be referred to as "pandering". It basically means that Americans either love him or hate him. The Trump Administration was under the belief that having a highly motivated and passionate base would be enough to win reelection. That appears to have been a (albeit slight) miscalculation.

wrong. he did achieve some bipartisan things and did take on issues that were typically D focused and championed them such as Criminal Justice Reform. Even on the latest stimulus he was far closer in to the D position and amount than the R House/Senate was; Nancy just wouldn't take it.

I'd argue he compromised as much as Obama did

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

How could you possibly know how I've made my living? If it's all black and white and we're labeling and lumping everyone together it's also funny how the capitalist rigs the system with tax shelters, fights with all his might to cheat those that work for him out of a fair wage or moves his business to a foreign country where he can pay 10 year old children for piece work or pennies an hour and then sell his product in this country for insane profits.

I am all for a flat tax plan. If we had a constitutional amendment of say 10% with no deductions and applied to ALL income, I would be absolutely fine with that.

But you lefties seem to think that increasing taxes on businesses will deter business somehow from moving to places where labor is cheaper or tax burden is less. Goes right to the core of the issue that you have no common sense and can't do math

"Those jobs aren't coming back"

 

[calban]

I am all for a flat tax plan. If we had a constitutional amendment of say 10% with no deductions and applied to ALL income, I would be absolutely fine with that.

But you lefties seem to think that increasing taxes on businesses will deter business somehow from moving to places where labor is cheaper or tax burden is less. Goes right to the core of the issue that you have no common sense and can't do math

"Those jobs aren't coming back"

You Trumpers can't argue without some kind of personal attack can you. Wonder why you like him so much? I've lived and worked on both sides of the W2, retired at 50 and worked for myself for 12 years, am pretty close to debt free and plan to live the rest of my life as a free man. Hope you can do the same.

 

[lostsheep]

LOL move the country towards your idea of forward without the Senate ? Good luck with that .

It’s called working with the other side. Something your boy never seemed to understand.

 

[lostsheep]

Jill is trying to tell joe he won but he doesn’t understand what she’s talking about.

Let’s pretend for just a sec that Biden does have full blown dementia and doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

What’s it say about your guy if such a person beat him by approximately 4 million votes??

 

[VolnJC]

AOC is literally the gift that keeps giving to the GOP....Yeah Omar delivered MN...like the GOP has ever won that state lol

 

[volinsd]

Trump's strategy of governing was identical to his strategy of campaigning. He worked hard to keep his core base of support energized, but he never reached out to the other side. There was never any compromise or concessions made. At times, this could credibly be referred to as "pandering". It basically means that Americans either love him or hate him. The Trump Administration was under the belief that having a highly motivated and passionate base would be enough to win reelection. That appears to have been a (albeit slight) miscalculation.

America shouldnt negotiate with terrorists