2020 Presidential Race

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Weezer said:
I'm curious, do you believe their was fraud? If not, why are you opposed to a recount? If fraud wasn't a problem then all a recount is going to do is reaffirm Biden's victory. Opposing the recount makes it seem like you're worried there's something to find.

And that's neither a view that favors Trump or Biden, it's just logic. If there's nothing to find, nothing will be found. I'm not sure why either side would oppose it? In the end, I think it would just prove Biden won and take away any merit to people's objections of rampant fraud. Is that not a good thing?
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I have said in multiple posts that there should be a recount in the states decided by less than 1%. That would include states such as Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The Trump campaign is doing a lot more than just calling for recounts, however. They are claiming widespread fraud without providing any evidence of such. It is doing exactly what they accused Democrats of doing following the 2016 election: trying to delegitimize a duly elected president - without evidence.
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
this is false: Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump
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Well no; you’re following the same false narrative that I outlined, telling me how counties voted and not how Individual voters actually vote.

Perhaps you should have referred to this 538 article, The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support

Or this article: Stop Blaming Low-Income Voters for Donald Trump’s Victory - Talk Poverty

This is why more affluent voters were still unlikely to vote Biden disproportionately in 2020: Why Joe Biden will win rich places but not rich people

You’re welcome.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
OMG....and to think you procreated. Have you challenged paternity yet? It seems like every take you have is against conventional wisdom.
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Where has conventional wisdom ever said to lock down the healthy? Force mask mandates? Forcibly shut down private businesses?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
It still doesn’t add up. This massive fraud scheme across multiple states but not fill out the Senate bubble? Whoever organized this did a terrible job of execution if they only filled out Prez. That’s putting a lot of faith the people to flip the Senate for you. Especially given Trump was more likely to lose honestly than the Senate candidates.

Regardless I’m skeptical of these numbers. Where did they come from and how where they provided? If accurate, How does it compare to previous years? Honest questions.

My guess is there are plenty of right leaning folks who just don’t like Trump. They voted for Biden but also for the Reps House and Senate candidates. If you are in the Never Trump camp you are probably willing to gamble on 4 years of Biden with a GOP Congress.
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What doesn’t add up is claiming to be the party of intellectuals while some of your base is twerking in front of the White House while another portion of your base wears vagina hats.
 
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utvolpj said:
Where has conventional wisdom ever said to lock down the healthy? Force mask mandates? Forcibly shut down private businesses?
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To add to that... Isn't there about a 99.5% recovery rate? That seems to conventionally indicate that almost everyone in the hospital will be OK in no time.

(Also, "conventional wisdom" is code for a fairly easily proven logical fallacy. It's a lazy argument.)
 
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LouderVol said:
Unfortunately not. They do make you lift up your pant legs, and push up sleeves if you are in long clothing. I have also had to lift up my shirt to check the belt line. I am sure they didnt appreciate the view they got of my hairy belly and back.
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Louder: [lifts shirt]
Proctor: I don't get paid enough for this.
 
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lostsheep said:
Sorry to hear that, man. Prayers for you and your family.
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Thank you. 2 Corinthians 1 has been in full effect.

But to restate in context of the appeal to emotion argument it responded to. I'm sorry for my father, our family, everyone who has lost someone and everyone in the hospital. None that emotion changes the fact that we've been hoping for mass immunity and plummeting death rates. That's what we're seeing happen right now. All the emotion in the world doesn't change that.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
To add to that... Isn't there about a 99.5% recovery rate? That seems to conventionally indicate that almost everyone in the hospital will be OK in no time.

(Also, "conventional wisdom" is code for a fairly easily proven logical fallacy. It's a lazy argument.)
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Check the median iq and tell me again to trust conventional wisdom

The rates are all trending to the positive because of increased testing. It was inevitable and why I'm turn on continuing it since people get scared of big numbers
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Major news outlets are debunking these claims left and right. There’s a reason these stories are coming mostly from fringe outlets. It really says something when republicans turn on foxnews for reporting facts.
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What they can’t debunk is outright illegal changes to election law by governors, secretaries of State, and courts, resulting in an enormous number of invalid votes being counted. That is at worst blatant fraud, or at best blatant illegitimacy and illegality. I’ll let the left argue that hair-splitting, but it is one or both of the two.

Every vote not conforming to election law must be invalidated, if we are to remain a nation of constitutional law.
 
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