2020 Presidential Race

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
The left: Let's all unite, let's come together.

Also the left: Let's keep a list of people who supported Trump so that we can target them for attack. All Trump supporters are racists, homophobic, deplorables
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It's right back to their strategy of say one thing, do another. People like luther has admited he doesnt care what they do as long as they talk nice. He wants a president that SEEMS responsible.
 
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AM64 said:
The Atlantic is a bigger piece of trash than WaPo and the NYT combined. Anybody with a sense of objectivity has likely never likely made it completely through one of their pieces of drivel or even bothers to look at an Atlantic diatribe after experiencing a couple. Something like a snooty Pravda read.
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It’s very clear an avid historian wrote that piece and used relevant quotes and facts from the time when the EC was debated and subsequently decided upon. If it’s too long for you to read all you have to do is say so. If you did in fact read it and have disputes about anything within, by all means share it with us. If you have any contrary views please share those as well.

If all you can do is attack the name at the head of a well-researched article, then I have to say that is both useless and lazy.
 
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utvols88 said:
Isn't it? I think that's the point.
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No, the point is that Biden won this election... and some people just don't want to face reality. Some of the states being contested were not even close. Biden is going to end up winning Pennsylvania by well over 50,000 votes. He will win Michigan by over 150,000 votes.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Perception is the problem.
Any possible fraud is blown out of proportion by one side to play to their base and ignored By your side to play to the base. You just posted a lie that the guy recanted. He didn’t. An anonymous source says he did and was paid. He still claims he didn’t recant and there’s no proof of payment but you chose to believe the imagery people as opposed to the person speaking publicly.
a tight and right system like Florida uses ends all this.

-must register to vote.
-Must request a ballot
-If ballot requested you cannot vote in person. As your name is blocked on the role.
-If you end up voting in person you sign an affidavit eliminating the mail in vote.
-no counting of ballots without both sides in attendance
I would add.
-counting Does not happen until all votes are in and secure.

It’s not hard. It would solve a lot of problems and has where used. But neither side gets to play games with perception if it’s used.
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One further step - not really a bigger requirement than in person voting. The person voting by mail shows a blank ballot to a notary along with ID showing that he/she is the correct holder of the ballot; makes the selections privately but in the notary's presence; puts the completed ballot in a tamper resistant envelope; seals the envelope, witnessed, and stamped by the notary. If a tamper resistant envelope is received by the deadline and deemed unopened and correctly notarized and meets voter registration and other requirements, the ballot is tabulated. You essentially go through all those steps during regular voting except the poll workers replace the notary.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, the point is that Biden won this election... and some people just don't want to face reality. Some of the states being contested were not even close. Biden is going to end up winning Pennsylvania by well over 50,000 votes. He will win Michigan by over 150,000 votes.
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Trump was up 700,000 after all the legal ballots were counted in PA
 
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lostsheep said:
Wow. Well, that seals it then. If De Blasio's daughter said it, all bets are off and trump should be declared the winner!!
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It's definitely not a good look. About as good as Biden saying before the election that they'd installed the most sweeping election fraud system in history.

How long before it's just accidental truth slipping out?
 
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GSD82 said:
Trump was up 700,000 after all the legal ballots were counted in PA
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Lindsey G pretty much came out and said they need to kill the mass mail in ballot in future elections for Repubs to be able to win. Makes it too easy for the simple minded to vote. Need to get back to the normal practices of voter suppression and low voter turn out.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The anonymous sources stole the narrative again.
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It shouldn't matter if the guy recanted or not. Too much is being made of that, as a part of this story. If the guy has evidence of voter fraud, then he should be allowed to make his case for that and show whatever evidence he has.

However, it sounds like it all centers around something which he overheard other people talking about doing, rather than what he observed them doing. It's not going to be easy for him to prove that it actually happened. But if he can prove it happened? Then prove it.
 
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Lol

“On Tuesday, Judge Haaz promptly put Trump campaign attorney Jonathan Goldstein on the spot. The judge asked him point-blank if the campaign was actually alleging any fraud. Goldstein went to bat for President Trump while admitting that he was not alleging fraud, uttering the phrase (twice): “To my knowledge at present, no.” Legal experts said that Goldstein’s remarks were typical of a lawyer unwilling to risk sanctions or bar discipline in service of a client.”
 
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MarcoVol said:
What is The Epoch Times? A vehicle for pro-Trump conspiracy theories, and the culmination of all that Facebook has encouraged
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I have to agree with you on that. Why would a credible researcher doing credible research on a US election report the story in a Chinese language rag. That makes no sense and sucks the credibility right out of the charge. Downright stupid if the guy really had evidence that return dates on ballots were incredible considering the date they were mailed.
 
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calban said:
Lindsey G pretty much came out and said they need to kill the mass mail in ballot in future elections for Repubs to be able to win. Makes it too easy for the simple minded to vote. Need to get back to the normal practices of voter suppression and low voter turn out.
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If people are too lazy to vote in person they don't deserve the right to vote. Why are all these mail in votes democrats?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It shouldn't matter if the guy recanted or not. Too much is being made of that, as a part of this story. If the guy has evidence of voter fraud, then he should be allowed to make his case for that and show whatever evidence he has.

However, it sounds like it all centers around something which he overheard other people talking about doing, rather than what he observed them doing. It's not going to be easy for him to prove that it actually happened. But if he can prove it happened? Then prove it.
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Weren't you the one making a big deal of it?
 
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