2020 Presidential Race

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Orange_Crush said:
Weren't you the one making a big deal of it?
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I pointed out last night that it was being reported that he had recanted... but that shouldn't matter. If he has proof of fraud? Then let him prove it! Like I said, it sounds like this involved something improper that he overheard other people talking about doing, rather than what he observed them actually doing.

But hey, if he does have proof? Let's see it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I pointed out last night that it was being reported that he had recanted... but that shouldn't matter. If he has proof of fraud? Then let him prove it! Like I said, it sounds like this involved something improper that he overheard other people talking about doing, rather than what he saw them doing. But hey, if does have proof? Let's see it.
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You were using the supposed recant to discredit him and his testimony. Let's be honest here.

You're posting as though you've sobered up from last night, or reread the thread and realized how ridiculous you looked.
 
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GSD82 said:
If people are too lazy to vote in person they don't deserve the right to vote. Why are all these mail in votes democrats?
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Biden told his people to use the mail in ballots, Trump told them not to.
There have always been mail in ballots.
If it's illegal need to prove it in court or accept the outcome. If there has been FRAUD prove it or get off the pot.
 
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calban said:
Biden told his people to use the mail in ballots, Trump told them not to.
There have always been mail in ballots.
If it's illegal need to prove it in court or accept the outcome. If there has been FRAUD prove it or get off the pot.
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There have always been absentee, not mail-in. If there wasn't fraud then someone missed a huge opportunity. I don't believe it turned the election though
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You were using the supposed recant to discredit him and his testimony. Let's be honest here.

You're posting as though you've sobered up from last night, or reread the thread and realized how ridiculous you looked.
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In some people's eyes, that may impact his credibility, but if he actually has proof that fraud occurred, then his credibility becomes less important. You don't have to just take his word for it, if he has tangible proof of fraud. It sounds like his allegations revolve around what he overheard other people talking about doing... rather than what he actually observed them doing. If that is the case, then it wont be easy for him to prove that the fraud they were discussing ever actually happened. However, if he can prove it, then by all means.... DO IT!

I'm tired of all the teasing about evidence of voter fraud, but then never seeing any damn proof of it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It’s very clear an avid historian wrote that piece and used relevant quotes and facts from the time when the EC was debated and subsequently decided upon. If it’s too long for you to read all you have to do is say so. If you did in fact read it and have disputes about anything within, by all means share it with us. If you have any contrary views please share those as well.

If all you can do is attack the name at the head of a well-researched article, then I have to say that is both useless and lazy.
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Wouldn't be a trumper without those adjectives attached. Hell, dear leader is useless and lazy. They think he is a strong man type....running into a fire fight to save kids. For gods sake the man wears bronzer year round.
 
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calban said:
Biden told his people to use the mail in ballots, Trump told them not to.
There have always been mail in ballots.
If it's illegal need to prove it in court or accept the outcome. If there has been FRAUD prove it or get off the pot.
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We have never had mass mail in ballots. Let's also face it, you all wouldn't care if they cheated because it turned out how you wanted it to.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Just one of many instances of you attacking his credibility by making a big deal about the supposed recant.
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I think it's fair to call his credibility into question, but his credibility doesn't matter if he has proof that fraud actually happened. If he can prove it... then prove it!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
In some people's eyes, that may impact his credibility, but if he actually has proof that fraud occurred, then his credibility becomes less important. You don't have to just take his word for it, if he has tangible proof of fraud. It sounds like his allegations revolve around what he overheard other people talking about doing... rather than what he actually observed them doing. If that is the case, then it wont be easy for him to prove that the fraud they were discussing ever actually happened. However, if he can prove it, then by all means.... DO IT!

I'm tired of all the teasing about evidence of voter fraud, but then never seeing any damn proof of it.
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We're tired of you posting like a 12 year old, tripling down on it for hours, sleeping on it, and then showing back up like you never made the ridiculous arguments you made. Buck up. We all have our burdens to bear.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I think it's fair to call his credibility into question, but his credibility doesn't matter if he has proof that fraud actually happened. If he can prove it... then prove it!
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I think it's fair to see you post that the supposed recant isn't a big deal once you realized that it was highly questionable, and then quote where you made huge deals about it.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Care to tell us your issues with sharing what we've heard and asking questions about it?

* Hint: I'm very familiar with code and digital evidence. If [they have some documented accounts of "glitches" that changed votes], and [100% of those glitches went from Biden to Trump], then [that's a significant occurrence that needs to be investigated]. Period.

** Further: If [all the swing states use this software, as has been claimed], then [that would be a significant event that needs investigated].

*** Still further: If [the above is true], then [it is VERY significant to the election fraud narrative] because [digital forensics would exist, be all but indisputable, and give actual numbers of votes that were affected].

Conclusion: It would be a HUGE deal that could change the outcome of the election with verifiable proof. I think the worst thing that could happen would be widespread election fraud that negates the will of the people and allows our leadership to be assigned to/for us. Slightly behind that would be for widespread election fraud to exist and have the election overturned without verifiable proof of numbers affected. If that happens, 1/2 the country will be in unrest, believing the president stole the office.

I am hoping the truth comes out, and that we get the leaders that we corporately elected--whomever that is.

So, again... Can you tell me what your issue is with following this and asking questions here about what we're hearing?
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That's where it gets really problematic. For widespread election fraud to exist it has to be accompanied at least by government incompetence or general lack of effort. That can't be allowed to happen. Neither political party will let that happen. None of them want the questions it would bring. Those questions are an even worse nightmare than having an elected outsider turned loose in DC. DC cannot in any way risk losing or be viewed as having lost control of the legitimate process. That's the big "C" word - corruption.
 
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GSD82 said:
We have never had mass mail in ballots. Let's also face it, you all wouldn't care if they cheated because it turned out how you wanted it to.
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And you're sobbing because it didn't go your way. stalemate I guess.
If they cheated I want to see some prosecution. If Hillary used the FBI to frame Trump in the russian Gate I'd like to see her prosecuted too.
Either way Trump needs to get back to running the country for the next two months instead of sulking in the dark.
 
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AM64 said:
One further step - not really a bigger requirement than in person voting. The person voting by mail shows a blank ballot to a notary along with ID showing that he/she is the correct holder of the ballot; makes the selections privately but in the notary's presence; puts the completed ballot in a tamper resistant envelope; seals the envelope, witnessed, and stamped by the notary. If a tamper resistant envelope is received by the deadline and deemed unopened and correctly notarized and meets voter registration and other requirements, the ballot is tabulated. You essentially go through all those steps during regular voting except the poll workers replace the notary.
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I’m not sure a notary would be an issue if you eliminate the ability to vote in person once a ballot is requested.
 
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GSD82 said:
We have never had mass mail in ballots. Let's also face it, you all wouldn't care if they cheated because it turned out how you wanted it to.
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I don’t like Trump and I voted Biden but I’m not for undermining our democratic process to get the desired outcome.

I simply want proof. So far, the investigations have come up empty.
 
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calban said:
And you're sobbing because it didn't go your way. stalemate I guess.
If they cheated I want to see some prosecution. If Hillary used the FBI to frame Trump in the russian Gate I'd like to see her prosecuted too.
Either way Trump needs to get back to running the country for the next two months instead of sulking in the dark.
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I'm not sobbing at all, my life will go on and actually the next few years are going to be very entertaining and will give me a lot of stuff to laugh at.
It's clear dems cheated, it's also clear you all are good with it
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It shouldn't matter if the guy recanted or not. Too much is being made of that, as a part of this story. If the guy has evidence of voter fraud, then he should be allowed to make his case for that and show whatever evidence he has.

However, it sounds like it all centers around something which he overheard other people talking about doing, rather than what he observed them doing. It's not going to be easy for him to prove that it actually happened. But if he can prove it happened? Then prove it.
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Agreed. Investigators do their jobs and prosecute the guilty or release a statement of the results where no crime was committed.
A simple concept really
 
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Orange_Crush said:
We're tired of you posting like a 12 year old, tripling down on it for hours, sleeping on it, and then showing back up like you never made the ridiculous arguments you made. Buck up. We all have our burdens to bear.
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No, I said that it was being reported that he had recanted... and that was reported by The Washington Post. That would certainly call his credibility into question. However, his credibility is only important while we have to take his word for whatever he is claiming. If he has actual proof of fraud, then that would override concerns over his credibility. Once again, it sounds like his allegations concern something he overheard other people talking about doing... rather than what he observed them doing. But if he does have proof that these people actually followed through on what they were saying and committed fraud, then he should reveal his proof.

It's the kind of allegation which people make when they want to accuse someone else of misconduct, but have no proof, and want to make it as tough as possible to be accused of lying about it later:

Accuser: "I heard Bob and Mike talking about selling crack cocaine."

Investigator: "Did you see Bob and Mike sell crack cocaine?"

Accuser: "No. I just heard them say they were going to sell crack cocaine."

Investigator: "Do you have any proof that Bob and Mike ever discussed selling crack cocaine?"

Accuser: "No, but they did talk about doing it."

This is how you shift the burden of proof from the accuser to the accused. The accuser can't prove that Bob and Mike sold crack cocaine... but Bob and Mike can't prove that they didn't at least talk about it.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I don’t like Trump and I voted Biden but I’m not for undermining our democratic process to get the desired outcome.

I simply want proof. So far, the investigations have come up empty.
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Your guy admitted they cheated, is that not evidence enough?
 
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