2020 Presidential Race

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lostsheep said:
Interested to hear what you consider the "working class?"
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Low unemployment rates including lower income working class. Lowest unemployment rate for minorities in decades. 6k annual increase In Avg family income. Facts are indisputable. You can ignore if you like based on bias but Trumps record pre-Covid in his first term accomplished more than any president in the last 30 years minimum.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Real question here, but do Indians identify as "Asians"? I know they're from Asia, but do they actually use the term to describe their race?
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Are you talking about Indian Americans? Not really, except on paperwork.

Indians in India are certainly not expressing solidarity with Arabs/Chinese/etc.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Then own the fact that you were and are making a big deal of it.
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His credibility is a big deal, as long as we have to take his word for what he is alleging. However, he can override any and all concerns over his credibility, if he provides proof of his allegations. His credibility only matters if he doesn't have any proof. And since he is only alleging that he overheard people discussing misconduct, rather than actually engaging in misconduct... well, it isn't hard to conclude that this isn't going anywhere. He did get his 3 minutes of attention though.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Sure.. if Wapo has a copy of an affidavit where he recanted then yeah, show it... but where did this start? With Richard Hopkins allegations of fraud. If he can prove this fraud, then let's see the proof. The question of whether or not Hopkins recanted is irrelevant once we see his proof of fraud. Hopkins' credibility is only important while we have to take his word for whatever he is alleging.

Once again, Hopkins is not alleging that he observed fraud. He is alleging that he observed other people discussing fraud. It will be hard for him to prove fraud actually occurred... but if he has proof? Then by all means, let's see the damn proof. We all know where this is going. Hopkins can't prove $hit.
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I'm talking about your claim his credibility is challenged because of an allegation - you seem to have no problem taking the word of unamed sources from the target of the whistle blowing but not extending the same courtesy.

Apply the same rules - his credibility is challenged no more than the veracity of his allegations
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
His credibility is a big deal, as long as we have to take his word for what he is alleging. However, he can override any and all concerns over his credibility, if he provides proof of his allegations. His credibility only matters if he doesn't have any proof. And since he is only alleging that he overheard people discussing misconduct, rather than actually engaging in misconduct... well, it isn't hard to conclude that this isn't going anywhere. He did get his 3 minutes of attention though.
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Your double standard is showing - you haven't demanded any proof of the allegations against him and embrace them to as if they were true.

Why shouldn't the USPS be required to prove their allegation against him?

It's clear you don't want his allegation to be true so you use differing standards to assess claims by him or against him.

I imagine when you learned of the Ukraine whistleblower you didn't pivot to questioning the credibility of the whistleblower when the administration said the allegations were unfounded.
 
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volinbham said:
Anyone know how many votes Perdue would need to pick up in a recount that would put him at 50%?
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No, but I'm guessing the new blue GA recognizes that getting a couple of dems in the senate is now more important than the "correct" Trump count.
 
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AM64 said:
No, but I'm guessing the new blue GA recognizes that getting a couple of dems in the senate is now more important than the "correct" Trump count.
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Boston chimed in and I did some calculations - looks like about 14,150 or 2.9 out of every 1000 votes cast
 
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volinbham said:
I'm talking about your claim his credibility is challenged because of an allegation - you seem to have no problem taking the word of unamed sources from the target of the whistle blowing but not extending the same courtesy.

Apply the same rules - his credibility is challenged no more than the veracity of his allegations
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Fine. However, this seems like an example straight out of the Bob and Mike scenario. He wanted to allege voter fraud, but he also wants to make it as difficult as possible to accuse him of lying about the allegations later. Take note that he is only claiming he overheard other people discussing fraud. He isn't saying that he observed it.

This is straight out of the Project Veritas playbook, and I do believe that they are a part of this story. They make it a practice of alleging misconduct against liberals... but will often do this, by getting witnesses to claim they overheard misconduct being discussed, rather than actually claim that they observed the misconduct taking place. It is a method of casting aspersions against another party without ever having to prove the allegations are true.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Are you talking about Indian Americans? Not really, except on paperwork.

Indians in India are certainly not expressing solidarity with Arabs/Chinese/etc.
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No, I would have specified "Native Americans" had I been talking about that particular group.

But great job on being a racist enough to confuse the two groups.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
Why is Trump Racist? He overturned Bidens crime bill that put blacks in jail for small crimes and he funded black colleges and had a platinum plan his grandchild is Jewish I am sick of the racist label that's just being lazy.
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Slave masters had black kids, they were still racists. Do you think donald cares about his grandkids? I would be my yearly salary that he doesn't know their names.
Bidens crime bill was a bipartisan crime bill. The CBC wrote a large part of the crime bill. As Biden so eloquently said, the intent of the bill was misapplied on the state level. There were more blacks released from jail under the Obama Administration than under donald, but donald feels the need to try and pander to black people as if we would vote for him. Turns out there are about 12% that vote republican no matter what.
 
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lostsheep said:
You believe the Democratic Party is the party of the dumb/lazy, and that the Republican Party is the party of the working class?
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Yeah. Democratic Party doesn’t support the working class. They cater to the AOC wing who view themselves as Marxists elites with maximum government overreach into our daily lives because the average American is not smart enough to make their own decisions about how to live their lives.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Slave masters had black kids, they were still racists. Do you think donald cares about his grandkids? I would be my yearly salary that he doesn't know their names.
Bidens crime bill was a bipartisan crime bill. The CBC wrote a large part of the crime bill. As Biden so eloquently said, the intent of the bill was misapplied on the state level. There were more blacks released from jail under the Obama Administration than under donald, but donald feels the need to try and pander to black people as if we would vote for him. Turns out there are about 12% that vote republican no matter what.
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Black Republican vote was 4% in 2008 and 8% in 2016 rising to 12 % in 2020. Hispanic vote went from 27% to 40% this election. Trump was making inroads with the minority vote. The minorities are slowing seeing the truth. The Democratic Party’s reach out to minorities is style over substance.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Fine. However, this seems like an example straight out of the Bob and Mike scenario. He wanted to allege voter fraud, but he also wants to make it as difficult as possible to accuse him of lying about the allegations later. Take note that he is only claiming he overheard other people discussing fraud. He isn't saying that he observed it.

This is straight out of the Project Veritas playbook, and I do believe that they are a part of this story. They make it a practice of alleging misconduct against liberals... but will often do this, by getting witnesses to claim they overheard misconduct being discussed, rather than actually claim that they observed the misconduct taking place. It is a method of casting aspersions against another party without ever having to prove the allegations are true.
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How easy is it to accuse unnamed sources of lying? Or even failing to exist?

And yet they were your capstones in the other threads.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lol
So they both lost and gained ground depending on where you are in the tweet
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Just nothing like the press lost in space even when they are trying to get a story straight. Incredible. It's so obvious the house has tightened, and then to state the opposite is just weird. Journalism needs to go back to the pre-twitter days when a responsible adult called an editor checked stuff before it went out.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Low unemployment rates including lower income working class. Lowest unemployment rate for minorities in decades. 6k annual increase In Avg family income. Facts are indisputable. You can ignore if you like based on bias but Trumps record pre-Covid in his first term accomplished more than any president in the last 30 years minimum.
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The questions was what do you consider "working class."

I didn't ask for someone to spew trumps talking points...once again.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Yeah. Democratic Party doesn’t support the working class. They cater to the AOC wing who view themselves as Marxists elites with maximum government overreach into our daily lives because the average American is not smart enough to make their own decisions about how to live their lives.
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A gross generalization
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Black Republican vote was 4% in 2008 and 8% in 2016 rising to 12 % in 2020. Hispanic vote went from 27% to 40% this election. Trump was making inroads with the minority vote. The minorities are slowing seeing the truth. The Democratic Party’s reach out to minorities is style over substance.
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Turnout was up all over, which increased vote totals. With those increases, he still lost. So there is still a disconnect with minority votes.
 
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