2020 Presidential Race

[Orange_Crush]

We’ve been over this OC.

Biden accepted it bc the votes have been counted and *checks notes* it wasn’t close.

No amount of frivolous lawsuits or sham election fraud claims will overturn that.

I repeat. Your indignation seems absurdly selective. Pee Pee Showers and Shiff For Evidence, and all that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You dodged defending your claim that the EC hasn’t fallen out of favor, but we both know you can’t defend it so we can move forward to something you can actually engage on without embarrassing yourself with some absurd justification.

Democracy is slow, but once the gerrymandered state legislatures have their feet held to the fire on this issue, especially if it starts to show up on party platforms, we very well may see that change. It might even happen in my lifetime.

Oh FFS. The EC hasn’t fallen out of favor with the bodies that control how it is used the state legislatures. You spiking the ball on a idiot point about the popular vote splitting the EC based on a popular vote poll is stupid.

Democracy is indeed slow it appears after 250 years it’s decided it likes what it has.

The ONLY movement going on now is an end around to try and coerce state legislatures to redefine their EC count because everyone accepts a constitutional amendment to abolish the EC is a non starter. So they play outside the rules because they know they can’t win within the rules.

Yeah... Democracy is moving slower than a snails pace on your desires here LMFAO

 

[NorthDallas40]

I see reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.

Try again.

Nah I’m standing pat. To paraphrase

“ I don’t have a problem with them contesting the result but my problem is why are they still contesting the result”

 

[Weezer]

You dodged defending your claim that the EC hasn’t fallen out of favor, but we both know you can’t defend it so we can move forward to something you can actually engage on without embarrassing yourself with some absurd justification.

Democracy is slow, but once the gerrymandered state legislatures have their feet held to the fire on this issue, especially if it starts to show up on party platforms, we very well may see that change. It might even happen in my lifetime.

The EC hasn't fallen out of favor in smaller states, and they're not going to just give up their voice. The only way to get rid of the EC is a Constitutional Amendment. Now, if you don't believe the FFs intended for each state to have a voice, ask yourself why the amendment process requires ratification by three-fourths of the states? This isn't a majority rule country.

 

[NCFisher]

Oh, I'll jump. So what happened in the full video that we didn't see that justified a knee in the neck?

That’s not the question. The real question is that why – when the Minneapolis PD had an approved neck submission technique for violent persons and another for those who are intoxicated (whichbthe officer used in Floyd) - did the mayor and AG not make it public knowledge instead of allowing the officers’ vilification? And why did they for months conceal evidence that his death was due to Floyd’s underlying health problems and a drug overdose of fentanyl?

 

[0nelilreb]

Meh... Garbage in. Garbage out.

GIGO

 

[n_huffhines]

I can say with certainty that Tim Curry has never made a beautiful woman.

But the French maid in Clue made a man out of 9 YO Huff

 

[Weezer]

I'm sure in the high population states that would benefit from a popular vote, the EC has fallen out of favor. It's not fallen out of favor in 38 out of 50 states, which is what would be required to get rid of it.

 

[Weezer]

Sometimes I think people must have slept through their American Government classes.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm sure in the high population states that would benefit from a popular vote, the EC has fallen out of favor. It's not fallen out of favor in 38 out of 50 states, which is what would be required to get rid of it.

Just dropping the 2016 election results map by state as compared to the popular vote is all you need to show on why the majority of states won’t vote to do away with the EC

 

[NorthDallas40]

Sometimes I think people must have slept through their American Government classes.

I believe the average citizen is a civics dumbass and it’s pretty sad.

 

[OHvol40]

Why does it matter if it has fallen out of favor?

Just because something is popular or supported by the majority, does that mean that it is the right thing to do?

You honestly don’t see how the EC becoming progressively less popular could affect it’s future?

 

[OHvol40]

according to between 9 and 15 thousand people who actually answered the landlines and asked to be a part of a continuning political survey in 4 states LOL

Lol ok doofy, show me something different, or sit down.

 

[OHvol40]

He's been pretty clear, actually. He's being consistent to his point.

That point is valid. It’s a minority ruling over a majority, which is exactly why it’s not popular.

 

[Boston Vol]

It’s only been two weeks.

Because VN and the court of public opinion is not the legal avenue through which this must travel. Because this is a tremendous amount of information requiring a tremendous amount of validating, swearing witnesses, before presenting the evidence into the legal system.

C’mon people...

Yeah I’m sure that’s it.

 

[utvolpj]

You honestly don’t see how the EC becoming progressively less popular could affect it’s future?

People don't understand its purpose. We have a very serious knowledge deficit wrt the role of govt in this country

 

[hog88]

You honestly don’t see how the EC becoming progressively less popular could affect it’s future?

If enough opponents of the EC come to power in 3/4 of the states they can change it. It's possible just not probable.

 

[Weezer]

I believe the average citizen is a civics dumbass and it’s pretty sad.

People don't understand the history of our country and how it was formed, let alone comprehend the Constitution and how and why it was written the way it was. They have an overview, and that's it. States were fiercely independent and they had to have a reason to come together in Union. It wasn't simply we banded together to overthrow British colonialism. When that was done, states had to have a reason to stay together. There had to be benefit to unity. Otherwise, they might as well have remained colonies.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lol ok doofy, show me something different, or sit down.

Here I’ll show you this. And it actually supports what we’ve all been saying that the smaller states won’t agree to EC abolishment as opposed to your data not really supporting your claims.

 

[Orange_Crush]

That point is valid. It’s a minority ruling over a majority, which is exactly why it’s not popular.

My point is that that's obviously the context that he was defining per "favor". You were working pretty hard to accuse him of changing his argument when he was consistent all along. I'd say you owe him an apology.

And the EC exists to protect state rights against a large federal gov't. The US is not a Democracy, and that's by design.

 

[OHvol40]

Oh FFS. The EC hasn’t fallen out of favor with the bodies that control how it is used the state legislatures. You spiking the ball on a idiot point about the popular vote splitting the EC based on a popular vote poll is stupid.

Democracy is indeed slow it appears after 250 years it’s decided it likes what it has.

The ONLY movement going on now is an end around to try and coerce state legislatures to redefine their EC count because everyone accepts a constitutional amendment to abolish the EC is a non starter. So they play outside the rules because they know they can’t win within the rules.

Yeah... Democracy is moving slower than a snails pace on your desires here LMFAO

It’s not a “non starter”, it’s small states with disproportionate power obviously refusing to yield that disproportionate power.

Also, if addressing it through legal means that aren’t forbidden in the constitution, how is that not “within the rules?”

Sounds like it is within the rules, you just don’t like the rules. You can’t be a selective constitutional absolutist dummy lol

 

[lostsheep]

Here I’ll show you this. And it actually supports what we’ve all been saying that the smaller states won’t agree to EC abolishment as opposed to your data not really supporting your claims.
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Probably want to grab the 2020 version of that map...much more blue on it.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Here I’ll show you this. And it actually supports what we’ve all been saying that the smaller states won’t agree to EC abolishment as opposed to your data not really supporting your claims.
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much like "universial healthcare" or "gun control" OH believes that pie in the sky leftist BS will happen without the legal processes they have to go thru to get there....thus none of it will ever happen

 

[NorthDallas40]

People don't understand the history of our country and how it was formed, let alone comprehend the Constitution and how and why it was written the way it was. They have an overview, and that's it. States were fiercely independent and they had to have a reason to come together in Union. It wasn't simply we banded together to overthrow British colonialism. When that was done, states had to have a reason to stay together. There had to be benefit to unity. Otherwise, they might as well have remained colonies.

Yep. We are no where near the Borg mindset of the European countries which many opine to be like. We are a federalist government with mostly equal distributed powers between the central and regional (states) governments (well were supposed to be). And for our geography alone it makes sense. We are a huge nation. What works in NY doesn’t necessarily work in TX

 

[Weezer]

That point is valid. It’s a minority ruling over a majority, which is exactly why it’s not popular.

Again, a majority citizen vote does not get rid of the EC. 38 states would have to ratify a Constitutional Amendment to get rid of the EC.