2020 Presidential Race

[Vol737]

That doesn't say much for the mentality of the losing side. This was not a particularly close election. The electoral college vote totals are projected to be the same now as they were in 2016 (306 to 232). Donald Trump has often referred to his 2016 electoral college margin of victory as being a "landslide".

You don't say! 2016 says hello. You know, the year where the child like liberals cried their eyes out while curled up in the fetal position after a loss. Oh, and the four year long temper tantrum of name calling and riots on demand. Good times.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

LMAO

Deep State and their fancy words, and dictionaries, and education.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It depends on the case, not the lawyer.

That makes sense. If your case is data driven and you need somebody to process it and reach a logical conclusion I’m probably your guy. If you need somebody to be willing to accept doubt and buy into a corner case outcome instead of what is fairly apparent I’m probably not your guy.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[NorthDallas40]

And yet here you are saying that a bunch of engineers from Georgia Tech couldn’t/didn’t devise and run simple tests to certify/audit their equipment based on the word of a lawyer and her notoriously dishonest client.

They included a recommended forensic team which was smart. That team chose a config audit which I listed. Letting a bunch of Ga Tech people poke the damn machines like a dead possum on the table is freaking negligent.

Plus it isn’t the SoS job to prove the damn machines work. It is only their responsibility to insure the machine configuration matches the SoS approved config list which they dud. They did their duty. It’s up to others to attack the function of the reference design if they desire but it’s not the SoS job to defend that reference design it is the mfgr job.. Enter Powell.

Off to bed just took my pain killer.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It's not unusual for engineers to disagree on how to approach a problem or for those in different engineering disciplines to disagree on what it takes for something to be technically correct. If we were all alike, there would be little difference from one product to another. There are different ways to get from A to B; some guys are determined to do it wrong, so we argue on how to do it right.

The biggest failing of the non gifted in categorizing the gifted with the knack. Assuming the engineering process is regimented with no creative aspect. The creative aspect results in differing outcomes. Those differing outcomes are where innovation occurs. We don’t all think the same on the problem solution. But we do strive for consistency in absorbing the problem details and requirements.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Up for impeachment before he ever takes the oath of office

BREAKING: Ukrainian Judge Ruled Joe Biden Listed in a Criminal Case - USAREALLY.COM

 

[BowlBrother85]

You don't say! 2016 says hello. You know, the year where the child like liberals cried their eyes out while curled up in the fetal position after a loss. Oh, and the four year long temper tantrum of name calling and riots on demand. Good times.

2016 Democratic Party nominee, Hillary Clinton, conceded defeat the morning after the 2016 presidential election (which was November 9, 2016) and in doing so, she said this:

"Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country."

... and she also said this, in the same concession speech:

"We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead."

- 2016 Democratic Party nominee, Hillary Clinton, spoken during the morning of November 9, 2016, which was the day after the 2016 presidential election.


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Yes, those are the words of the Democratic Party nominee for president in 2016.... and they are indeed saying, "HELLO!".

 

[RockyTop85]

They included a recommended forensic team which was smart. That team chose a config audit which I listed. Letting a bunch of Ga Tech people poke the damn machines like a dead possum on the table is freaking negligent.

Plus it isn’t the SoS job to prove the damn machines work. It is only their responsibility to insure the machine configuration matches the SoS approved config list which they dud. They did their duty. It’s up to others to attack the function of the reference design if they desire but it’s not the SoS job to defend that reference design it is the mfgr job.. Enter Powell.

Off to bed just took my pain killer.

You’re saying that’s all that was done. That’s not apparent. This was one process. The process for ensuring no election hacking or outside interference (see the last line of the release: “there are no signs of cyber attacks or election hacking.”)

The statement lists multiple groups (“We have partnered with the Department of Homeland Security, the Georgia Cyber Center, Georgia Tech security experts, and wide range of other election security experts around the state and country so Georgia voters can be confident that their vote is safe and secure.”) that were involved in election security and then singles out the activities of one specific group as part(or all) of this single audit.

First, it’s not on me or anybody else to disprove Sidney Powell.
The state legislative/regulatory process devised a system to certify equipment for use in their elections. They also produced a system of other failsafes (observers, paper ballots, legal penalties, etc) to detect, deter, and prevent fraud. That legislative process was a result of a lengthy national debate over federalizing election security. A debate that Republicans won when they advocated delegating that managerial responsibility to the states.

Given that elections are how we grant authority to our government, then anyone saying that this process produced an invalid result is saying that our entire theory of government is invalid.

At the very least, she bears a very high burden of proof. She has, so far, shown none.

Second, the hand counting of Georgia’s ballots will show whether or not they were manipulated by an algorithm. There will be some discrepancies due to human error and newly discovered fraudulent votes, but fraud on the scale of 10k+ ballots would show up in a manual recount.

Once that’s over with, Powell and everybody else will move on to something new. We’ve already seen one guy do that, tonight. Apparently I convinced him the algorithm wasn’t feasible so now he’s saying Fulton County must have printed ballots.* Because this isn’t about validating an election, it’s about complaining about an unsatisfactory result.

*- I hope this is the next big theory. That’ll be funny to watch engineers explain why Biden didn’t get more votes then Hillary in the counties that cheated to help him win.

 

[BowlBrother85]

First, it’s not on me or anybody else to disprove Sidney Powell.

Indeed. She is the one alleging wrongdoing. The burden of proof is with her. All she has done so far, is tease Fox News viewers that some big shoe is about to drop. She is also acting as if she has a lot of time to prove her case. She doesn't.

 

[RockyTop85]

Indeed. She is the one alleging wrongdoing. The burden of proof is with her. All she has done so far, is tease Fox News viewers that some big shoe is about to drop. She is also acting as if she has a lot of time to prove her case. She doesn't.

PA Supreme Court just reversed Trump Co.’s lone legal victory. That was filed on the 4th, I think. So nearly 2 weeks. I think we’re 3 weeks from the hard deadline.

 

[Orange defense]

Up for impeachment before he ever takes the oath of office

BREAKING: Ukrainian Judge Ruled Joe Biden Listed in a Criminal Case - USAREALLY.COM

And Bill Clinton made the extradition treaty in 1998 with Ukraine.

 

[BowlBrother85]

PA Supreme Court just reversed Trump Co.’s lone legal victory. That was filed on the 4th, I think. So nearly 2 weeks. I think we’re 3 weeks from the hard deadline.

All the Trump legal team does is make appearances on Fox News and tease. They have nothing. This is such a charade.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Indeed. She is the one alleging wrongdoing. The burden of proof is with her. All she has done so far, is tease Fox News viewers that some big shoe is about to drop. She is also acting as if she has a lot of time to prove her case. She doesn't.

She's going to have a tough case right now.

 

[VolnJC]

222-213 Nancy gonna need the Whip to get enough votes to rename post offices lol

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[carlos86]

Deep State and their fancy words, and dictionaries, and education.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You’re saying that’s all that was done. That’s not apparent. This was one process. The process for ensuring no election hacking or outside interference (see the last line of the release: “there are no signs of cyber attacks or election hacking.”)

That’s all they said was done. You’re guessing more than I am now. I’m stating what was done. You’re guessing “but wait there’s more!” And validating the machine configuration supports the statement of no signs of cyber attacks or election hacking. Duh.

The statement lists multiple groups (“We have partnered with the Department of Homeland Security, the Georgia Cyber Center, Georgia Tech security experts, and wide range of other election security experts around the state and country so Georgia voters can be confident that their vote is safe and secure.”) that were involved in election security and then singles out the activities of one specific group as part(or all) of this single audit.

Of those the most respected was the V&V group which are fed certified and came highly recommended. Their actions were the ones cataloged in the release. I was correct in what I said they did by their own description. That is a pretty straight forward and standard process to anybody with the skills.

First, it’s not on me or anybody else to disprove Sidney Powell.
The state legislative/regulatory process devised a system to certify equipment for use in their elections. They also produced a system of other failsafes (observers, paper ballots, legal penalties, etc) to detect, deter, and prevent fraud. That legislative process was a result of a lengthy national debate over federalizing election security. A debate that Republicans won when they advocated delegating that managerial responsibility to the states.

meaningless drivel. The SoS job is to validate their machine integrity against the approved configuration and certify the results. V&V did the former they will wrap up the latter shortly.

Given that elections are how we grant authority to our government, then anyone saying that this process produced an invalid result is saying that our entire theory of government is invalid.

Not my problem this Pandora’s box is being opened.

At the very least, she bears a very high burden of proof. She has, so far, shown none.

Agreed. Emphatically agreed even.

Second, the hand counting of Georgia’s ballots will show whether or not they were manipulated by an algorithm. There will be some discrepancies due to human error and newly discovered fraudulent votes, but fraud on the scale of 10k+ ballots would show up in a manual recount.

I’d guess so also. In the absence of no other information once that hand recount is completed the results can be certified. However Powell claims she has other information so if she plays her hand it’s possibly going to the courts even after the results are certified.

Once that’s over with, Powell and everybody else will move on to something new. We’ve already seen one guy do that, tonight.

Once she’s played her hand I’m sure she will life goes on.

Apparently I convinced him the algorithm wasn’t feasible so now he’s saying Fulton County must have printed ballots.* Because this isn’t about validating an election, it’s about complaining about an unsatisfactory result.

What?

*- I hope this is the next big theory. That’ll be funny to watch engineers explain why Biden didn’t get more votes then Hillary in the counties that cheated to help him win.

More meaningless drivel.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Indeed. She is the one alleging wrongdoing. The burden of proof is with her. All she has done so far, is tease Fox News viewers that some big shoe is about to drop. She is also acting as if she has a lot of time to prove her case. She doesn't.

Nobody ever said otherwise Albert

 

[NorthDallas40]

She's going to have a tough case right now.

Monumental I’d say

 

[RockyTop85]

That’s all they said was done. You’re guessing more than I am now. I’m stating what was done. You’re guessing “but wait there’s more!” And validating the machine configuration supports the statement of no signs of cyber attacks or election hacking. Duh.


Of those the most respected was the V&V group which are fed certified and came highly recommended. Their actions were the ones cataloged in the release. I was correct in what I said they did by their own description. That is a pretty straight forward and standard process to anybody with the skills.

meaningless drivel. The SoS job is to validate their machine integrity against the approved configuration and certify the results. V&V did the former they will wrap up the latter shortly.

Not my problem this Pandora’s box is being opened.

Agreed. Emphatically agreed even.

I’d guess so also. In the absence of no other information once that hand recount is completed the results can be certified. However Powell claims she has other information so if she plays her hand it’s possibly going to the courts even after the results are certified.

Once she’s played her hand I’m sure she will life goes on.

What?

More meaningless drivel.

I’m not guessing that there was more. The statement refers to a certification process. That’s “more.” It also refers to multiple groups who were involved in the election security process but doesn’t mention that they worked in this particular facet of this process. That’s more.

That’s not guessing. An “engineer” who can “process evidence on his own” wouldn’t struggle with that.

Didn’t bother reading past that. I assume your painkiller has hindered you below even your normal state of perpetual ineptitude.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I’m not guessing that there was more. The statement refers to a certification process. That’s “more.” It also refers to multiple groups who were involved in the election security process but doesn’t mention that they worked in this particular facet of this process. That’s more.

That’s not guessing. An “engineer” who can “process evidence on his own” wouldn’t struggle with that.

Didn’t bother reading past that. I assume your painkiller has hindered you below even your normal state of perpetual ineptitude.

LMAO. I’ll stand pat as I’ve covered the main points of what they said and you’re reaching. I actually understand what the hell they had to do while you’re throwing turds at the wall.

The only group that matters is V&V. They are the experts. They set the agenda. Accept it buttercup.

This engineer did just fine while a dipshit attorney is throwing turds at the wall to see what can stick and gave up on answering all the counters to his “points” anyway

Good night Rocky!

 

[hUTch2002]

Well, I haven't jumped yet, but anyway...

Flynn was talking with the Russian Ambassador and (allegedly) it was about Russia not responding to the Obama sanctions that were imposed because of the alleged interference.

Nothing specific was said about lifting them nor did he admit that. His "crime" was lying to the FBI. That's the crux of her case.

Also she is claiming the Judge is not impartial in the case. Which he kinda has been.

Edit: not impartial since Swype is ****ing stupid

There was zero reason for the FBI to even ask Flynn about those conversations when they had the transcripts already.

 

[Velo Vol]

All the Trump legal team does is make appearances on Fox News and tease. They have nothing. This is such a charade.

Our big cases will soon be filed.

 

[MontyPython]

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy...

Remember back in 2001 when he was a decent human being? The man standing next to W in the wreckage of the twin towers. Man, he's fallen from grace... nothing more than a carnival barker. Trump's personal attorney. A hack punchline seeking a buck ($20K/day from Donnie apparently).

Rudy Giuliani and Trump’s last-stand push to overturn Pa.’s election results get a frosty reception in court

"...The judge seemed equally perplexed by the Trump campaign’s proposed remedy: that he should bar Pennsylvania from certifying its final vote tally.

“At bottom, you’re asking this court to invalidate some 6.8 million votes thereby disenfranchising every single voter in the commonwealth,” Brann said. “Can you tell me how this result could possibly be justified?”

"...As for the rest of the Trump campaign’s claims, Aronchick rebutted them all in a 30-minute presentation that rhetorically aimed for Giuliani’s jugular, accusing him at various points of being “ignorant” of the law, living in “some fantasy world,” and perpetuating wild conspiracy theories that were “disgraceful in an American courtroom.”

He argued the campaign had no standing or evidence to pursue its case any further and urged Brann to follow the lead of other judges across the country.

“Please dismiss this case so we can move on to the real business of this country,” Aronchick pleaded with the judge. “We need to get this election certified.”

Then and now...