2020 Presidential Race

[golfballs]

Then how can they certify the results? I’m sure Michigan’s SOS will be right on it complete sham

 

[tvolsfan]

Even the canvassers commented that this current certification state was unprecedented. Do I need to go get you a definition of that word Carlos?

It was pretty clear that the mini-tantrum and refusing to certify was the unprecedented part in all this. Audits are not unprecedented in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Another one

Well now I'm confused again... what is this memory card stuff? It goes back to my original question of how do you hand count a digital vote?

 

[NorthDallas40]

It was pretty clear that the mini-tantrum and refusing to certify was the unprecedented part in all this.

Actually no. I’ve posted I think links to two articles now from local Detroit papers. Like it or not they had valid concerns on the accuracy of the voter logs and polling data. They had every right to protest certification and there was no damn reason for the Dems to not want to certify. If you want to play the partisan card make sure you call out the Dems for brushing them aside and trying to force it thru also.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Well now I'm confused again... what is this memory card stuff? It goes back to my original question of how do you hand count a digital vote?

And wtf are they doing that they seem to find votes laying around everywhere

 

[MarcoVol]

........bc Trump is a dumbazz but knows his followers will believe whatever he says

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So if Ga used paper ballots, then what is the deal with the memory cards?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well now I'm confused again... what is this memory card stuff? It goes back to my original question of how do you hand count a digital vote?

I’d guess the tallying machines keep local sums that are then offloaded to a memory card and uploaded to a central database. Admittedly just a guess.

I hope to hell voting and tally machines are not directly connected to the internet

 

[VolinWayne]

Lin Wood making some pretty big allegation against Brian Kemp and the Sec Of State in GA. His lawsuit is not tied to the Trump campaign. Kemp is being awfully quiet

 

[AM64]

“Engineer” tears third hole in paper bag. Still can’t find his way out.

What is the certification process (other than a third hole in your paper bag)?

I really enjoy going back and forth with you, but we do vary wildly on how we see things sometimes. I worked with a lawyer once and he would explain how courts would come to a legal decision, and I would say WTH. He used to tell me their engineer jokes, too. I guess the difference is we deal with physical law, and you deal with whatever strangeness you call it law. I've had an introductory law course and a couple on product liability, and from what I learned we'll never agree. The one where the clown picks up a lawnmower to trim his hedge and loses some fingers in the process is one of those where the twain will never meet. We look at it as you can't fix stupid, but one of your guys won the lawsuit for the guy with the missing digits.

 

[BenGrimm]

I’m pretty sure Georgia had what are commonly referred to as paper ballots. The SOS has commented on it being the first time in 20 years for them to use paper ballots.

I’m pretty sure I read all the contested states have a paper ballot back up. Makes this whole Dominion conspiracy all the more worthless.

Won’t matter though. They will never be convinced a President that hovered around 42-44% approval his entire term lost in a fair election.

 

[vol66]

So if Ga used paper ballots, then what is the deal with the memory cards?

We had paper ballots here. After ya fill it out, it goes into a scanner, which you do yourself.

 

[AM64]

Well now I'm confused again... what is this memory card stuff? It goes back to my original question of how do you hand count a digital vote?

It sounds a lot like during the hand count they discovered a discrepancy and found they didn't transfer the memory card data. Like maybe each tabulator (or precinct) puts the tally on digital data to be transferred into the main system. If that's the case, then without some mechanism linking voters logged in with total votes (as pointed out by GAVol) then there could be a lot of unaccounted votes never entered. And lacking that could a memory card be accepted multiple times - accounting for your question about repeating patterns.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I really enjoy going back and forth with you, but we do vary wildly on how we see things sometimes. I worked with a lawyer once and he would explain how courts would come to a legal decision, and I would say WTH. He used to tell me their engineer jokes, too. I guess the difference is we deal with physical law, and you deal with whatever strangeness you call it law. I've had an introductory law course and a couple on product liability, and from what I learned we'll never agree. The one where the clown picks up a lawnmower to trim his hedge and loses some fingers in the process is one of those where the twain will never meet. We look at it as you can't fix stupid, but one of your guys won the lawsuit for the guy with the missing digits.

I’ve had about two lawyers tell me at least why they hate us. We are trained critical thinkers and data driven. We can process evidence fairly well on our own. If needed we asked pointed amplification questions. We scare them because we are less open to suggestion basically. Anecdotally for those two at least

 

[AM64]

And wtf are they doing that they seem to find votes laying around everywhere

Sounds like the whole thing is far far away from foolproof.

 

[RockyTop85]

I’m pretty sure I read all the contested states have a paper ballot back up. Makes this whole Dominion conspiracy all the more worthless.

Won’t matter though. They will never be convinced a President that hovered around 42-44% approval his entire term lost in a fair election.

There’s a difference between a paper ballot and some of the machines print off a slip of paper.

I don’t know about MI, PA, or WI, but I know Sharpiegate (AZ) required a paper ballot and I’m pretty sure GA used traditional paper ballots.

 

[RockyTop85]

I’ve had about two lawyers tell me at least why they hate us. We are trained critical thinkers and data driven. We can process evidence fairly well on our own. If needed we asked pointed amplification questions. We scare them because we are less open to suggestion basically. Anecdotally for those two at least

It depends on the case, not the lawyer.

 

[vol66]

We had paper ballots here. After ya fill it out, it goes into a scanner, which you do yourself.

I should add...in the voting place I was in every voter used the same scanner. I imagine in bigger cities, maybe they had multiple scanners in each place, which might explain how one memory card might be not pulled.

I am not saying that’s true, or what may have happened, pure speculation on my part.

 

[BowlBrother85]

No matter which way this goes, it’s going to get real ugly in America.

That doesn't say much for the mentality of the losing side. This was not a particularly close election. The electoral college vote totals are projected to be the same now as they were in 2016 (306 to 232). Donald Trump has often referred to his 2016 electoral college margin of victory as being a "landslide".

 

[RockyTop85]

I really enjoy going back and forth with you, but we do vary wildly on how we see things sometimes. I worked with a lawyer once and he would explain how courts would come to a legal decision, and I would say WTH. He used to tell me their engineer jokes, too. I guess the difference is we deal with physical law, and you deal with whatever strangeness you call it law. I've had an introductory law course and a couple on product liability, and from what I learned we'll never agree. The one where the clown picks up a lawnmower to trim his hedge and loses some fingers in the process is one of those where the twain will never meet. We look at it as you can't fix stupid, but one of your guys won the lawsuit for the guy with the missing digits.

And yet here you are saying that a bunch of engineers from Georgia Tech couldn’t/didn’t devise and run simple tests to certify/audit their equipment based on the word of a lawyer and her notoriously dishonest client.

 

[MarcoVol]

 

[RockyTop85]

Rudy got his lunch eaten in court. It was more humiliating than the Borat thing.

But the headline/tweet is misleading.

That specific case, as amended, is not a fraud case. They raised some bizarre equal protection claim. Before they amended it, it did allege some fraud.

Maybe one of the other 20-something cases they lost was a fraud case. If so, his statement to that judge is not inconsistent.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Awww, Rudy wouldn't be two-faced... would he?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[AM64]

And yet here you are saying that a bunch of engineers from Georgia Tech couldn’t/didn’t devise and run simple tests to certify/audit their equipment based on the word of a lawyer and her notoriously dishonest client.

It's not unusual for engineers to disagree on how to approach a problem or for those in different engineering disciplines to disagree on what it takes for something to be technically correct. If we were all alike, there would be little difference from one product to another. There are different ways to get from A to B; some guys are determined to do it wrong, so we argue on how to do it right.