2020 Presidential Race

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carlos86 said:
You mean the audit that they do every election.
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Taking out your ass again. How many times has the SoS office had to come in with their resources to examine the county wide deficiencies, every time? One reporter said she’s never seen this before in 20 years of covering Wayne Co elections so yeah... every time 😂
 
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GAVol said:
So far issues in two counties. Votes were counted but didn't upload.
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Didn’t upload? Huh ok sounds like operator on the tally consolidation side then. Eh it happens and affected both candidates. Does sound like a manual process with room for improvement though, I don’t mean anything ominous in that
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
Yes, and yes. I live in GA. They transitioned to the current machines in either 16 or 18. You make your selection on the touchscreen and submit your ballot electronically. Once submitted, you print a copy of your ballot to review, and then the paper copy is placed in a secure dropbox watched by election officials. It is my understanding that this system was rolled out statewide.

Edit: It looks like this system wasn't statewide until the primary elections earlier this year. I know my county has used them since at least the 18 mid terms and maybe since the 16 general. Here is a good link from AJC showing the process.

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--reg...-voting-machines-work/RyIOJuHYQgktcCNGL9sEoK/
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Why the complexity? More money in selling equipment to maintain rather than real paper ballots and a pen to fill in circles? They never showed any detail on the printed ballot - are the selections printed out for all to see? Does the scanner scan the code or does it scan the printed names (if that's what they are)? If it's the coded matrix that's scanned, how do you know it's your choice? What the hell is wrong with keeping it simple????
 
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AM64 said:
The first one - the printed ballots - preserved raw input is the real important factor as long as there is some sort of recount by another means. Doing the same thing with the same input is nuts. You are right; in theory the ability to recount from the raw data should mean it would be dumb for election officials to screw with the count. That's like a lock on your door - it just keeps honest people honest.

We saw votes change in the middle of the night. That's disturbing. Negative counts aren't possible unless you diddle with the software. We don't have negative ballots.

The thing is you don't find errors or fraud unless you actively look. If Trump lost, OK. But you don't get to say that just because one 737Max made if from point A to point B that the software obviously works. Or worse that after it landed at point B the software was open to change before it took off for point C.

I don't doubt that you want honest elections even though we likely want different outcomes. It's just that several of us saw something on election night that didn't make sense because there is no straightforward explanation. It's no more unreasonable to demand a real explanation for that than to want the same when there's faulty software in a new airplane. Configuration control that we keep talking about means the SW is debugged, tested, documented, and not open to change after acceptance. That seems in doubt.
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I hope for whatever you guys need to see in order to come to accept the result. For many, I’m skeptical that any such set of events exists.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Didn’t upload? Huh ok sounds like operator on the tally consolidation side then. Eh it happens and affected both candidates. Does sound like a manual process with room for improvement though, I don’t mean anything ominous in that
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It’s pretty damn negligent. But I don’t believe it to be nefarious. That county went 70% Trump. I suspect the local people in charge were pro Trump. Don’t know that for sure but it would make sense them for to be.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK, then in that case, the ballots were likely stuffed/fabricated in Fulton County. They stopped the count once they saw Trump pulling away and then started creating ballots.
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That's not even what I consider a paper ballot. It's a computer generated something on paper - not the same.
 
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volfanhill said:
It’s pretty damn negligent. But I don’t believe it to be nefarious. That county went 70% Trump. I suspect the local people in charge were pro Trump. Don’t know that for sure but it would make sense them for to be.
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Agreed. The current **** show of events just amplifies what looks like an unintended error.
 
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AM64 said:
Why the complexity? More money in selling equipment to maintain rather than real paper ballots and a pen to fill in circles? They never showed any detail on the printed ballot - are the selections printed out for all to see? Does the scanner scan the code or does it scan the printed names (if that's what they are)? If it's the coded matrix that's scanned, how do you know it's your choice? What the hell is wrong with keeping it simple????
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Amen.... I don't see why we can't vote in person over a 2-3 day period and then hand tally all the votes over the course of a few days and report the results.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I hope for whatever you guys need to see in order to come to accept the result. For many, I’m skeptical that any such set of events exists.
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Just complete the damn paper ballot recount and certify the results. That’s their job.

Also Albert

Pro V&V conducted an audit of a random sample of Dominion Voting Systems voting machines throughout the state using forensic techniques, including equipment from Cobb, Douglas, Floyd, Morgan, Paulding, and Spalding Counties. ICP (precinct ballot scanners), ICX (ballot marking devices), and ICC (central absentee ballot scanners) components were all subject to the audit. In conducting the audit, Pro V&V extracted the software or firmware from the components to check that the only software or firmware on the components was certified for use by the Secretary of State’s office. The testing was conducted on a Pro V&V laptop independent of the system.
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They conducted a damn configuration audit just like I said. That in and of itself doesn’t discredit Powell’s claim. Hope you find some nice new skis and boots to crash next time in
 
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AM64 said:
That's not even what I consider a paper ballot. It's a computer generated something on paper - not the same.
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I’m pretty sure Georgia had what are commonly referred to as paper ballots. The SOS has commented on it being the first time in 20 years for them to use paper ballots.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Taking out your ass again. How many times has the SoS office had to come in with their resources to examine the county wide deficiencies, every time? One reporter said she’s never seen this before in 20 years of covering Wayne Co elections so yeah... every time 😂
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They literally did an audit for the primaries and for the 2016 and race 2018.
 
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volfanhill said:
It’s pretty damn negligent. But I don’t believe it to be nefarious. That county went 70% Trump. I suspect the local people in charge were pro Trump. Don’t know that for sure but it would make sense them for to be.
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The result doesn't even matter to me. It's incredible that there's not a safety in the system that would pick up on an undervote of thousands. They know how many people checked in. There ought to be the same number of ballots when they count.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Just complete the damn paper ballot recount and certify the results. That’s their job.

Also Albert



They conducted a damn configuration audit just like I said. That in and of itself doesn’t discredit Powell’s claim. Hope you find some nice new skis and boots to crash next time in
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“Engineer” tears third hole in paper bag. Still can’t find his way out.

What is the certification process (other than a third hole in your paper bag)?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
“Engineer” tears third hole in paper bag. Still can’t find his way out.

What is the certification process (other than a third hole in your paper bag)?
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“Counselor” doubles down and wipes out in brand new boots and skis. Nice

They validate the load modules or object files by comparing the CRC checksums, embedded version strings, etc... confirming the files match the config list data. That isn’t an operational test. Stick to the day job.
 
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GAVol said:
Amen.... I don't see why we can't vote in person over a 2-3 day period and then hand tally all the votes over the course of a few days and report the results.
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I actually like the concept of the tabulating machines linked to a computer database, but with the real paper ballots available for a hand count. It's the multiple votes on a single ballot that really take a toll on hand counting.
 
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