2020 Presidential Race

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AM64 said:
So it's not wrong if a republic does things differently than a straight democracy?
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It’s not wrong to vote for representatives and leaders to run the government. It is wrong if each vote has a different weight.
 
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tvolsfan said:
So about 250 million people don’t live in those cities. I think we can find some votes there.
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They'll just campaign in the same few population concentrated areas. Much of the country will be ignored. You think they'll want to spend time in Arkansas? North Dakota? They can access more voters in a few cities than entire states. California, Texas, Florida, and a few areas in the NE. That'll be it for the most part.

Run a presidential election with the candidates ignoring several areas of the country. See how that works out.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It’s not wrong to vote for representatives and leaders to run the government. It is wrong if each vote has a different weight.
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Each vote doesn't have a different weight. The votes are weighted the same within the states; the states choose the electors.

The pact the states make is they allow themselves to cede some power to the Federal government and the vote is distributed among the states. This is the fundamental nature of the "United States" of America and the condition by which they agreed to the Constitution.
 
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volinbham said:
Each vote doesn't have a different weight. The votes are weighted the same within the states; the states choose the electors.

The pact the states make is they allow themselves to cede some power to the Federal government and the vote is distributed among the states. This is the fundamental nature of the "United States" of America and the condition by which they agreed to the Constitution.
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In any race, all citizens votes should be equal. The senate already gives additional voice to smaller states.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It’s not wrong to vote for representatives and leaders to run the government. It is wrong if each vote has a different weight.
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Look at an election map of NY - the state geographically is primarily red, yet Clinton had nearly 59% of the vote to Trump's 37.5%. Would you say that counties/regions within a state are immaterial? Would you say they have different needs than NYC? Would you say that because NYC has more voters that the rest of the state is irrelevant? Would you say that in a state dominated by NYC it would be moral for NYC to demand water or other resources from the remainder of the state, or that the remainder of the state suffer pollution to produce power for NYC? What if NYC demanded (since they have the voters), all the transportation funding to build local roads and public transportation? To equalize some inequalities it's necessary to say that a straight popular vote isn't reasonable.
 
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AM64 said:
Look at an election map of NY - the state geographically is primarily red, yet Clinton had nearly 59% of the vote to Trump's 37.5%. Would you say that counties/regions within a state are immaterial? Would you say they have different needs than NYC? Would you say that because NYC has more voters that the rest of the state is irrelevant? Would you say that in a state dominated by NYC it would be moral for NYC to demand water or other resources from the remainder of the state, or that the remainder of the state suffer pollution to produce power for NYC? What if NYC demanded (since they have the voters), all the transportation funding to build local roads and public transportation? To equalize some inequalities it's necessary to say that a straight popular vote isn't reasonable.
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Land doesn’t vote.
 
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volinbham said:
Each vote doesn't have a different weight. The votes are weighted the same within the states; the states choose the electors.

The pact the states make is they allow themselves to cede some power to the Federal government and the vote is distributed among the states. This is the fundamental nature of the "United States" of America and the condition by which they agreed to the Constitution.
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As the federal government continually grows larger and the list of "all other things" continually gets smaller, it is even more important to protect the status of the lesser populated states. If we still believed in states rights, a lot of issues would go away. It's easier to do set policy per state than to do a one size fits all for the disparate needs of the individual states.
 
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tvolsfan said:
So about 250 million people don’t live in those cities. I think we can find some votes there.
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Doesn't matter. popular vote hasn't been above 70 million.

a vote only matters if its on the winning side (ala what Colorado is doing). what you are describing might be democracy, but it isn't fair. not by a long shot. especially when you consider how dumb people are with their votes.
 
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tvolsfan said:
In any race, all citizens votes should be equal. The senate already gives additional voice to smaller states.
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All citizens votes are equal. The votes are to determine who the electors (the state) votes for in the POTUS election.

You are simply confused on what you are voting for when you cast the POTUS vote. You are saying I want my state to vote for this person.
 
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