2020 Presidential Race

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I still maintain to this day that Trump ran a terrible Presidential campaign, arguably the worst Presidential campaign in recent history. The Democrats, IMO, were closer to fracturing than the GOP. The split between the more moderate Democrats and the Bernie Bro's was a big one. All Trump had to do was quit the Twittering and tear that seam wide open to win the election. Because Trump always had to be the focus of attention, this galvanized and united not only the Bernie Bros, but also the moderate Dems against Trump. In other words, Trump was Biden's best campaigner.

Also, worth noting is that Mike Pence's VP debate performance was an example of what an effective defense against Trump's COVID response looked like. If Trump had Pence's messaging from the outset, Trump may have won the election. Trump single-handedly lost the election for himself. No, it wasn't some vast Democrat conspiracy. Trump repeatedly and unabated shot himself in the foot.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Also, worth noting is that Mike Pence's VP debate performance was an example of what an effective defense against Trump's COVID response looked like. If Trump had Pence's messaging from the outset, Trump may have won the election. Trump single-handedly lost the election for himself. No, it wasn't some vast Democrat conspiracy. Trump repeatedly and unabated shot himself in the foot.
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Had he handed over the entire covid response to Pence he would have won in a landslide. All info should have come thru him and they never should have allowed Fauci/Birx/etc to control the narrative

I still at least half believe he threw the election because he was over the job and wanted to go home.
 
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MontyPython said:
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Mkay, so here's how things work: We are part of the global economy. Unlike Trump's farcical blabbering, we're not in control of it, nor does the absurd concept of "country first" (i.e. tariff protectionism, etc.) work.

And, yes, economists know far more about this than you ever will.
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I never bothered to see how many hours are required for a degree in economics, but I probably covered most of them. Engineers are required to take a certain number of nontechnical electives (not a trivial number), and business courses wouldn't count as nontechnical electives but economics would, so that's were all my nontechnical electives went. I can't say that economics really impressed me in any way, but those were certainly easier classes than engineering ... and an easy A. So, yeah, I have a fair understanding of economics (maybe a graduate level course or two while working on my MS), and honestly once you've studied real courses on system dynamics, feedback and controls, thermodynamics, and some other things that deal with how systems interact - transformation and losses, you realize how shallow economic theory is.
 
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utvolpj said:
Have to pay bills and no one donates if you don't pretend to fight
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I agree that he probably doesn't like the job, he'd rather be at "home" doing whatever. But he sure doesn't like the image of being a losing candidate, he campaigned a lot, so by that score, I don't agree that he threw the race.
 
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Love the honesty here from Massie. He knows full well that the GOP is already a minority party and it's only chance of maintaining power is the electoral college.

 
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AM64 said:
I never bothered to see how many hours are required for a degree in economics, but I probably covered most of them. Engineers are required to take a certain number of nontechnical electives (not a trivial number), and business courses wouldn't count as nontechnical electives but economics would, so that's were all my nontechnical electives went. I can't say that economics really impressed me in any way, but those were certainly easier classes than engineering ... and an easy A. So, yeah, I have a fair understanding of economics (maybe a graduate level course or two while working on my MS), and honestly once you've studied real courses on system dynamics, feedback and controls, thermodynamics, and some other things that deal with how systems interact - transformation and losses, you realize how shallow economic theory is.
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I have a degree in Econ and I came away with much the same feelings. Economic forecasting = long range weather forecasting.
 
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AshG said:
I was in a very bad place this past spring. I have not shared all of what was going on, and there's only a few people here I'd trust with it. Things are much better now.

As for the condescension, I suck at conveying nuance in text. That's part of it. I'm also not part of the political ingroup here - or, frankly, most of the out groups - and have to fight twice as hard for a seat at the table. If you don't want anyone to dissent or fight for their viewpoint, then ask Freak to rename this subforum "Right Wing Pep Rally" and remove all pretense that anyone else is welcome.
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TN is a pretty red state, and this is VN (we're generally going to be associated with Tennessee in one way or another), so you kinda have to expect we would tend to see things different from less sophisticated parts of the country ... comes with the territory in other words.
 
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AM64 said:
I never bothered to see how many hours are required for a degree in economics, but I probably covered most of them. Engineers are required to take a certain number of nontechnical electives (not a trivial number), and business courses wouldn't count as nontechnical electives but economics would, so that's were all my nontechnical electives went. I can't say that economics really impressed me in any way, but those were certainly easier classes than engineering ... and an easy A. So, yeah, I have a fair understanding of economics (maybe a graduate level course or two while working on my MS), and honestly once you've studied real courses on system dynamics, feedback and controls, thermodynamics, and some other things that deal with how systems interact - transformation and losses, you realize how shallow economic theory is.
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I think if you're comparing undergrad degrees in economics to an engineering field you're probably correct. Once you go deep into the rabbit hole with economics I don't think it's as easy as all that. There are a lot of really smart people who are econ majors.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
I think if you're comparing undergrad degrees in economics to an engineering field you're probably correct. Once you go deep into the rabbit hole with economics I don't think it's as easy as all that. There are a lot of really smart people who are econ majors.
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He didn't say that Econ majors weren't smart. He said Econ theory was shallow. I don't know if shallow is the right term, but I do know there are several differing theories, which sometimes prove to be correct and sometimes not.
 
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1972 Grad said:
He didn't say that Econ majors weren't smart. He said Econ theory was shallow. I don't know if shallow is the right term, but I do know there are several differing theories, which sometimes prove to be correct and sometimes not.
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The same thing can be said for science as well. Anyway, people love to bash liberal arts but I'm not sure it's always warranted.
 
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AM64 said:
TN is a pretty red state, and this is VN (we're generally going to be associated with Tennessee in one way or another), so you kinda have to expect we would tend to see things different from less sophisticated parts of the country ... comes with the territory in other words.
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Are you implying that Tennessee is "sophisticated?" I'd argue outside parts of WV and SE Kentucky that many parts of TN are about as unsophisticated as it gets.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Prison for those who try to usurp the election result. Its a form of coup. Any Congressperson, Pence, or Trump who takes an affirmative step to prevent the peaceful transfer of power on 1/6 or thereafter MUST BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED and tried and convicted, and sent to prison.
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The only coup was what the dems did 2020
 
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1972 Grad said:
I have a degree in Econ and I came away with much the same feelings. Economic forecasting = long range weather forecasting.
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My biggest beef with economists is wondering WTH they were when we were allowing unions and government complicity to run up wages and cost of living way beyond the rest of the world. With all their "visionary" experience, where were the warnings that we weren't and couldn't be a closed system, and the difference did matter. I remember as a freshman in HS thinking how stupid the inflationary wage cycle was - like a pending breach in an earthen dam with respect to potential imports. Where were economists when we were doing critically dumb stuff like opening trade with China and setting up NAFTA; seems like Ross Perot was the only guy screaming about the stupidity. I don't know about you, but I don't remember any warnings from economists about being the guy with the highest manufacturing costs when you decide to be globalist. Where are they now with warnings that stock exchanges are derelict in their original concept and have become money pumps through boom and bust cycles for industrial investors to plumb and plunder? I'm guessing they are at a loss to explain the widening gap between haves and have nots, too.
 
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