2020 Presidential Race

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lostsheep said:
Thanks for the insight, '72. However, my point is that compared to the other 50 in the union, Tennessee wouldn't rank very high on "sophistication."
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I have to disagree. Tennessee is home to a multiplicity of old cultures that have not exactly gotten along through its history.

Appalachian / hillbilly culture is very nuanced on its own. People who don't take time to understand that the distrust of government goes back 500+ years for this group are really missing the point. Lots of beautiful language throwbacks to Elizabethan English that have even been lost in the British isles at this point.
 
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AshG said:
I was in a very bad place this past spring. I have not shared all of what was going on, and there's only a few people here I'd trust with it. Things are much better now.

As for the condescension, I suck at conveying nuance in text. That's part of it. I'm also not part of the political ingroup here - or, frankly, most of the out groups - and have to fight twice as hard for a seat at the table. If you don't want anyone to dissent or fight for their viewpoint, then ask Freak to rename this subforum "Right Wing Pep Rally" and remove all pretense that anyone else is welcome.
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I find that both sides have some pretty good debates here. Yes there are the posters who name call and have no intellectual capacity for actual debate but overall I find 85% of the political board posters entertaining and generally friendly
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I find that both sides have some pretty good debates here. Yes there are the posters who name call and have no intellectual capacity for actual debate but overall I find 85% of the political board posters entertaining and generally friendly
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And that's why I keep coming back. The good ones aren't just good, they're great. It's only a few that drive me batty. They're easy to tell apart.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
One might give that as a reason why economics is actually harder--not easier--than science and engineering. The notion that we apparently aren't any good at it doesn't help matters any.
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That's certainly an interesting take. Something like using a divining rod vs topographic mapping to decide where to drill a well. I can definitely say that I never needed anywhere near the same mathematics in economics that even introductory reactor engineering courses required. In thermodynamics we learned that losses and frictional forces limited efficiency - and that perpetual motion isn't happening. Economists have a hard time staying in a lane on whether frictional forces like taxes and fuel costs are detrimental or beneficial. Some of the stuff is Lewis Carroll worthy.

The concept of supply and demand curves is pretty good; but I can't say I've seen any guidance from economists regarding how to deal with Chinese cheating in a global market, and any number of similar topics.
 
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AshG said:
I have to disagree. Tennessee is home to a multiplicity of old cultures that have not exactly gotten along through its history.

Appalachian / hillbilly culture is very nuanced on its own. People who don't take time to understand that the distrust of government goes back 500+ years for this group are really missing the point. Lots of beautiful language throwbacks to Elizabethan English that have even been lost in the British isles at this point.
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I find it interesting that you understand the nuances of hillbilly/redneck people of Tennessee. I think you don't like it though.
 
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NEO said:
So how so you feel about the democrat fracturing then?
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Not seeing that. Pelosi will be voted in as Speaker again. There's a small contingent - very small IMO - of the Squad-types that are pushing for more socialist policy, but they haven't made any significant inroads to the party with their more radical ideas.
 
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AshG said:
And that's why I keep coming back. The good ones aren't just good, they're great. It's only a few that drive me batty. They're easy to tell apart.
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The real value is in "debate" (using the term very loosely) causing us to reflect on our views because of what others say. There is no right or wrong in that; sometimes it strengthens a position and sometimes it broadens a viewpoint. But it's always the analysis and introspection that are important whether we choose to agree or disagree. It's why I'd never block someone - we may have never agreed, but there's the always chance and always the chance that one thought can open a new door into understanding.
 
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MontyPython said:
Not seeing that. Pelosi will be voted in as Speaker again. There's a small contingent - very small IMO - of the Squad-types that are pushing for more socialist policy, but they haven't made any significant inroads to the party with their more radical ideas.
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Let's check back in 2 years and see how well your "inroads" belief holds up.
 
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AshG said:
I have to disagree. Tennessee is home to a multiplicity of old cultures that have not exactly gotten along through its history.

Appalachian / hillbilly culture is very nuanced on its own. People who don't take time to understand that the distrust of government goes back 500+ years for this group are really missing the point. Lots of beautiful language throwbacks to Elizabethan English that have even been lost in the British isles at this point.
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Appalachian makes up a very small percentage of TN gross population.

Appalachian also covers multiple states and states on the union side.
 
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VolStrom said:
I find it interesting that you understand the nuances of hillbilly/redneck people of Tennessee. I think you don't like it though.
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I spent 1/3 of my childhood on my maternal grandparents farm just off a logging trail headed towards McMinnville on 111. My Pa owned a large tree nursery that now belongs to my uncle. I know the experience of picking okra and breaking beans and shucking corn for hours on end (and packsaddles. I hate packsaddles.) , then riding the edges of the nursery plots to make sure everything was OK. Then lunch.

I both understand and don't understand the culture at the same time. What they lacked in government assistance or aid was made up for by the generosity of others. And that generosity was returned in spades. I remember Pa and some deacons going to "take a visit" with fella up the way who liked the bottle more than his wife. He came home with a couple shotguns he didn't leave with. That kind of community lifestyle has slowly been replaced with fierce individualism Uber alles.

And now that I've lived in the city, I miss the rural edge life. Close enough to the country I can see the stars at night and make a fire pit in my backyard without 20 pages of applications, but close enough to the city that my weekly hospital visits don't mean a day off work.
 
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Cant decide if I am more red or hill. The Midwestern women love my talk. Too bad it does not make up for my looks.
 
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MontyPython said:
Not seeing that. Pelosi will be voted in as Speaker again. There's a small contingent - very small IMO - of the Squad-types that are pushing for more socialist policy, but they haven't made any significant inroads to the party with their more radical ideas.
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Pelosi was reelected speaker yesterday. I believe everyone in the Squad save for AOC voted for her.

Edit: AOC voted for her.
 
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AshG said:
“The die is cast for the Republican Party. It will be destroyed on January 6th in much the same way the Whig party was destroyed by the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854. The act unraveled the Missouri compromise and allowed for the westward expansion of slavery. The party could not survive its factionalism. There could be no more accommodation, compromise and partnership between pro-slavery and anti-slavery Whigs. A new political party was born, the Republican Party. That party will divide into irreconcilable factions on January 6th.

The 6th will commence a political civil war inside the GOP. The autocratic side will roll over the pro-democracy remnant of the GOP like the Wehrmacht did the Belgian Army in 1940. The ‘22 GOP primary season will be a blood letting. The 6th will be a loyalty test. The purge will follow.

Does anybody doubt the outcome of the @IvankaTrump vs. @marcorubio primary in Florida? Anyone willing to make a bet on @robportman? It turns out JFK was right. The problem of trying to ride the tiger is the likelihood of winding up inside the tiger.

The poisonous fruit from four years of collaboration and complicity with Trump’s insanity, illiberalism and incompetence are ready for harvest. It will kill the GOP because it’s Pro Democracy faction and Autocratic factions can no more exist together then could the Whig Party hold together the abolitionist with the Slave master. It won’t happen over night but the destination is clear. The Conservative party in America is dead. It may continue to bear the name “Republican” but it will be no such thing.

Fascism has indeed come to America and as was once predicted: It is wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. This movement must be defeated. It cannot be appeased, accommodated or negotiated with. It must be recognized for what it is and we must all recognize the new age of American politics it has wrought. It has reset the debate entirely.

There are only two sides in American politics now. There is the American side and the Autocratic side. May God help us all if we falter, flag or fail in defense of American democracy.”
Steve Schmidt
The Lincoln Project
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Political parties in the US are like cats...or cockroaches. They have nine lives and then some. I’ve seen times where I didn’t think Dems or R’s would get up off the mat, but they always seems to. What remains to be seen is how the R’s reshape themselves after all of this. I know a lot of Dems on here have all but driven the last nail in the coffin on the R’s, but Dems don’t have a lot to crow about given their massive lurch to the left, a trending loss of certain minority voter segments and the fact that voters gave the R’s a significant boost in the House that wasn’t supposed to happen. They have their own issues (and infighting) to deal with too, lest they sink their own party again.
 
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Vol737 said:
Political parties in the US are like cats...or cockroaches. They have nine lives and then some. I’ve seen times where I didn’t think Dems or R’s would get up off the mat, but they always seems to. What remains to be seen is how the R’s reshape themselves after all of this. I know a lot of Dems on here have all but driven the last nail in the coffin on the R’s, but Dems don’t have a lot to crow about given their massive lurch to the left, a trending loss of certain minority voter segments and the fact that voters gave the R’s a significant boost in the House that wasn’t supposed to happen. They have their own issues (and infighting) to deal with too, lest they sink their own party again.
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You mean if a Rep has a long term relationship with a Chinese spy and carries on like nothing happened? Surely that counts as 2 lives.
 
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