2022-2023 Season Ticket Prices

#26
#26
I'm not sure the grandfathering pertained to football season tickets.

And the reason people like his father are agitated is because for the better part of two decades, they have loyally purchased season tickets to watch a pretty sorry football team take the field and helped keep the athletic department in the black while it pisses away millions of dollars in buyouts to failed coaches and ADS.

Now, they want you not only to continue to purchase thise tickets, but also pony up a donation for the rights to purchase them? Neyland Stadium isn't selling out, as is. And the excuse that it brings them in line with the newer season ticket holders is BS. Thise new season ticket holders didn't crap away thousands of dollars over the last 15 years to watch a terrible product on the field. Paying to go to games during that time WAS THE DONATION. There have been many, many times in recent years where you couldn't give tickets away to people.

The bottom line is that this course of action is grossly misplaced and untimely. If we were continually 9-3, or better on occasion, and ticket demand was high, this is a better-received decision, or at least better-understood (supply vs demand). Right now, though, the fans who have kept Neyland from looking like Vanderbilt Stadium over the last several years feel like their loyalty isn't being rewarded, and justifiably so.

This pretty succinctly sums up my father's thoughts (and mine, too). I get that some of it just sounds like sour grapes from the family, but if that's what it is so be it. It has definitely sent the wrong message to my parents about their time and money they've given to the university, and at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you say your message is it's how it's received by people that matters. From what I can tell, the message is being received poorly by a broad swath of people any way.

Personally, I just don't agree with having to making a donation purely to secure your right to pay for season tickets. The price my dad paid for tickets was his donation to the university. I mean the university just a few weeks ago was selling single game Georgia tickets and Vandy tickets on a promotional sale for less than $20 a piece, because the stadium wasn't full (and it still isn't). It seems like a poorly timed decision to change how season ticket holders are charged when demand isn't anywhere near close to outpacing supply any way.
 
#27
#27
Couple this money grab with being irresponsible paying off Fulmer and especially Steele for his $900,000 for a couple of weeks on the job and they are trying real hard to turn the attendance into something NASCAR-like. Telling your most dedicated fans to pony up or kick rocks is stupid. It is short term mentality. But that’s to be expected from a revolving door of short-term administrators looking to cash in quickly. N-I-L and one-and-done non-student athletes with watered down admission standards has turned NCAA FB snd BB into the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA and interest will soon reflect that.
 
#28
#28
I'm not sure the grandfathering pertained to football season tickets.

And the reason people like his father are agitated is because for the better part of two decades, they have loyally purchased season tickets to watch a pretty sorry football team take the field and helped keep the athletic department in the black while it pisses away millions of dollars in buyouts to failed coaches and ADS.

Now, they want you not only to continue to purchase thise tickets, but also pony up a donation for the rights to purchase them? Neyland Stadium isn't selling out, as is. And the excuse that it brings them in line with the newer season ticket holders is BS. Thise new season ticket holders didn't crap away thousands of dollars over the last 15 years to watch a terrible product on the field. Paying to go to games during that time WAS THE DONATION. There have been many, many times in recent years where you couldn't give tickets away to people.

The bottom line is that this course of action is grossly misplaced and untimely. If we were continually 9-3, or better on occasion, and ticket demand was high, this is a better-received decision, or at least better-understood (supply vs demand). Right now, though, the fans who have kept Neyland from looking like Vanderbilt Stadium over the last several years feel like their loyalty isn't being rewarded, and justifiably so.
Is there suddenly some great product being trotted out there producing 9-10 wins that I’m unaware of?
 
#29
#29
This pretty succinctly sums up my father's thoughts (and mine, too). I get that some of it just sounds like sour grapes from the family, but if that's what it is so be it. It has definitely sent the wrong message to my parents about their time and money they've given to the university, and at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you say your message is it's how it's received by people that matters. From what I can tell, the message is being received poorly by a broad swath of people any way.

Personally, I just don't agree with having to making a donation purely to secure your right to pay for season tickets. The price my dad paid for tickets was his donation to the university. I mean the university just a few weeks ago was selling single game Georgia tickets and Vandy tickets on a promotional sale for less than $20 a piece, because the stadium wasn't full (and it still isn't). It seems like a poorly timed decision to change how season ticket holders are charged when demand isn't anywhere near close to outpacing supply any way.

This has essentially been the case for years, have you been complaining before on behalf of those purchasing season tickets, or only once it effected you/your fathers tickets?
 
#30
#30
This has essentially been the case for years, have you been complaining before on behalf of those purchasing season tickets, or only once it effected you/your fathers tickets?

I have never agreed with the idea of paying a donation just to secure your right to purchase a ticket, but you're correct in that it impacting me has made me more of a vocal opponent of that decision, much like anything in life. The difference is the changes that are coming are on a much wider scale and are impacting more people now.

I don't understand why you think it's some unreasonable idea that people would be upset when they're now being told they have to pay more for something that has been the same price for nearly three decades.
 
#31
#31
I have never agreed with the idea of paying a donation just to secure your right to purchase a ticket, but you're correct in that it impacting me has made me more of a vocal opponent of that decision, much like anything in life. The difference is the changes that are coming are on a much wider scale and are impacting more people now.

I don't understand why you think it's some unreasonable idea that people would be upset when they're now being told they have to pay more for something that has been the same price for nearly three decades.
It’s business, if the school can make more money and continue to sell around the same number of season tickets that they currently do then it’s a great move. You very well may piss off some people, just like any time there is change, and usually the pissed off people are the most vocal ones….but how many people who didn’t possess season tickets are now considering buying them and are happy with the AD? Time will tell and be the evidence, but if next years season ticket numbers are the same or more than this year then I’m not sure there’s much room to argue it wasn’t the right move.

Again, for current season ticket holders over 50% will now pay less than they previously did for their football seats…and 100% of those without season tickets will pay less to attain season tickets than they would have a year ago.
 
#32
#32
Is there suddenly some great product being trotted out there producing 9-10 wins that I’m unaware of?
No! Of course not. That's my point. Why in the world is the administration trying to scalp current, loyal season ticket holders for more money when they still have an average, though possibly improving, product and can't sell out the stadium, as it is?

What smoking gun do you think your above comment is exposing in my argument? You did nothing but ask a rhetorical question that strengthens my argument.
 
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No! Of course not. That's my point. Why in the world is the administration trying to scalp current, loyal season ticket holders for more money when they still have an average, though possibly improving, product and can't sell out the stadium, as it is?

What smoking gun do you think your above comment is exposing in my argument? You did nothing but ask a rhetorical question that strengthens my argument.
You’re saying they shouldn’t make this move because people who have been willing to pay have suffered through crappy play, isn’t that the same for new sales last year, 2 years ago, 5 years ago, this year, or next year? The point is, if season ticket numbers go up next year or the following year then it 100% was the right business move. You disagree?

I feel like in a way if you waited until this program was “good” you’d then piss of folks even more for “making them sit through the crappy years” just to run them out when they’re good again.
 
#34
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The newbies will be pissed off eventually. Assuming football starts winning again, they’ll be gouged.

What is sad is that football tickets were once given as something to reward donors TO THE UNIVERSITY. Now the athletic departments are pretty much separate entities. It’s the minor leagues living rent free on campuses.
 
#35
#35
You’re saying they shouldn’t make this move because people who have been willing to pay have suffered through crappy play, isn’t that the same for new sales last year, 2 years ago, 5 years ago, this year, or next year? The point is, if season ticket numbers go up next year or the following year then it 100% was the right business move. You disagree?

I feel like in a way if you waited until this program was “good” you’d then piss of folks even more for “making them sit through the crappy years” just to run them out when they’re good again.
Think of it as a business transaction. Used car values/prices are at an all-time high because of the lack of availability due to an requisite lack of availability of new cars resulting from production issues related to the Covid fallout.

Using your bolded comment, would it make sense for dealerships to have started raising used car prices 5 years ago before Covid was an issue? Or does it make sense, and seem justifiable to customers, to say that supply and demand dictates cost? You have to wait until supply and demand dictates an increase in value/price, otherwise you look greedy without reason. That is how the UT administration looks, right now, to current season ticket holders.
 
#36
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Think of it as a business transaction. Used car values/prices are at an all-time high because of the lack of availability due to an requisite lack of availability of new cars resulting from production issues related to the Covid fallout.

Using your bolded comment, would it make sense for dealerships to have started raising used car prices 5 years ago before Covid was an issue? Or does it make sense, and seem justifiable to customers, to say that supply and demand dictates cost? You have to wait until supply and demand dictates an increase in value/price, otherwise you look greedy without reason. That is how the UT administration looks, right now, to current season ticket holders.

If a car dealership is providing their cars at 75% off to 50% of folks, and charging full price to the other 50% of customers, so they opted to change and said everyone gets 10% off… then yes, change would be needed. The 50% no longer getting 75% off likely would be pissed, but the dealership probably would bring in quite a few new customers.

As for the bolded, they only appear that way to the ~45% of folks who have been getting a good deal, to the ~55% and all who are prospective season ticket holders they don’t appear that way.
 
#37
#37
The newbies will be pissed off eventually. Assuming football starts winning again, they’ll be gouged.

What is sad is that football tickets were once given as something to reward donors TO THE UNIVERSITY. Now the athletic departments are pretty much separate entities. It’s the minor leagues living rent free on campuses.
I’ve wondered whether or not this will change at some point
 
#38
#38
I have never agreed with the idea of paying a donation just to secure your right to purchase a ticket, but you're correct in that it impacting me has made me more of a vocal opponent of that decision, much like anything in life. The difference is the changes that are coming are on a much wider scale and are impacting more people now.

I don't understand why you think it's some unreasonable idea that people would be upset when they're now being told they have to pay more for something that has been the same price for nearly three decades.
Now that’s it’s a per seat/sport cost, and the “donation” isn’t a tax write off it’s basically just the cost of the ticket now
 
#39
#39
If a car dealership is providing their cars at 75% off to 50% of folks, and charging full price to the other 50% of customers, so they opted to change and said everyone gets 10% off… then yes, change would be needed. The 50% no longer getting 75% off likely would be pissed, but the dealership probably would bring in quite a few new customers.

As for the bolded, they only appear that way to the ~45% of folks who have been getting a good deal, to the ~55% and all who are prospective season ticket holders they don’t appear that way.
You keep trying to pit old customers vs new customers, and that's not really how it works.

And in my analogy, the issue at hand isn't what one group of people are paying for something versus another group. It's about the fact that price gouging is taking place when product demand is not outpacing product supply. If the demand for tickets was so high that we were consistently selling out the stadium, then a large portion of the angry fanbase could at least rationalize this decision as something more than a strongarm money grab by the AD.
 
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#40
#40
He’s now charging your father the same price as a new fan would be charged for those same seats, that’s the deal. There were a bunch of seats, apparently your fathers being one of them, getting away with no donation…where as a new fan wanting season tickets sitting next to him would be required to donate maybe a couple thousand dollars. The move is to make the cost of season tickets fair to everyone, new or old, and in doing so increase the amount of revenue brought in.

White is going to piss of those who haven’t had to make a donation, or make a small one, who have been getting away “cheap” for years, at the expense of hoping to bring in a newer/younger fan base. Only time will tell if that’s the right strategy or not, but for a person interested in season tickets the price is now less than it was a year ago for the same exact seats.
I was talking about the $21k the other poster alluded to. I agree uppers aren't bad priced.
 
#41
#41
You keep trying to pit old customers vs new customers, and that's not really how it works.

And in my analogy, the issue at hand isn't what one group of people are paying for something versus another group. It's about the fact that price gouging is taking place when product demand is not outpacing product supply. If the demand for tickets was so high that we were consistently selling out the stadium, then a large portion of the angry fanbase could at least rationalize this decision as something more than a strongarm money grab by the AD.
It’s not price gouging when the price is dropping for more than half of the customer base.
 
#47
#47
$500 for side court upper deck is pretty reasonable…you get what, ~20 home games? So $25/ticket for what are pretty good seats? Most years you can recoup about 25% of that by selling your Kentucky game ticket.
Why would you go to the expense of buying season tickets and sell the tickets to the most heated rival?
 

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