2022 Recruits

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#1,927
Darth_Vol said:
You seem to be confused. Yes, football and basketball coaches have the OPTION to offer multi-year scholarships. And if a multi-year scholarship is given, it's true that it can't be rescinded for athletic performance. However, these scholarships are not the norm. For the vast majority of student athletes, especially at the P5 level, athletic scholarships are renewed (or not) on a yearly basis.

Pretty important distinction there, "idiot"...

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If you had a brain, you’d take it out and play with it!

Out of the D1 Manual. The autonomy schools are the P5 schools:
For instance, Bylaw 15.3, which covers the terms and conditions of awarding financial aid is split between autonomy and non-autonomy schools. According to the Manual, scholarships of athletes competing at autonomy schools cannot be revoked due to injuries, illnesses, or in light of poor athletic performances. However, no such stipulation exists for athletes competing at non-autonomy schools, meaning that at the mid-major level, scholarship renewals, reductions, and cancellations are typically contingent on the decision of the head coach.
 
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Lady Vol Guru said:
If you had a brain, you’d take it out and play with it!

Out of the D1 Manual. The autonomy schools are the P5 schools:
For instance, Bylaw 15.3, which covers the terms and conditions of awarding financial aid is split between autonomy and non-autonomy schools. According to the Manual, scholarships of athletes competing at autonomy schools cannot be revoked due to injuries, illnesses, or in light of poor athletic performances. However, no such stipulation exists for athletes competing at non-autonomy schools, meaning that at the mid-major level, scholarship renewals, reductions, and cancellations are typically contingent on the decision of the head coach.
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So defensive right off the bat..lol You are naive if you think scholarships are not renewed due to injuries or performance. Is that the official cause - NO....All a coach has to do is tell a player they aren't starting or they won't play a big role next year. Most players who want to go pro are likely to transfer..Sure some will stay in that scenario. Whether its annually or guaranteed coaches don't like to pull scholarships period but there are other ways. There's a lot of grey area ...Below is the real world

The following reasons have different rules for schools that follow Power 5 rules and for the ones that don’t, so make sure to read it until the end:

5) Athlete Violates Non-Athletic Documented Policy

If your school follows this Power 5 rule, it means that they might take your scholarship away if you fail to comply with some academic standards or some other rules specified by the athletic department or by the team.

6) Injury

This is where it starts getting a little complicated. If you were awarded a scholarship for an established period of time, the NCAA states that a coach cannot reduce the scholarship during that time due to “an injury, illness, or physical or mental medical condition” of an athlete.” For schools that don’t follow Power 5 rules, a coach might decide to not renew an injured athlete’s scholarship once the initial scholarship period is over.

For schools that DO follow Power 5 rules, a coach cannot take that into consideration when debating whether to renew the scholarship or not. So if you go to such a school, get a scholarship for a year and get injured during that year, a coach technically cannot take that into consideration when deciding if he’s gonna renew your scholarship for the next year or not. However, in reality, things do not always happen that way and sometimes coaches might find a way to get that scholarship taken away from you.

7) Not Performing Well

This has the same applications as the injury rule: a coach cannot cancel your scholarship during an established scholarship period due to “ a student-athlete’s athletic ability, performance or contribution to a team’s success.” Power 5 rules establish that a coach cannot consider that when it comes time to decide to renew a scholarship or not. So if you get a one-year athletic scholarship, work extremely hard, but still are not able to make the starting team, a coach from a Power 5 school cannot technically reduce or cancel your scholarship because of that. Once again, some coaches might be able to find a loophole and still take your money away from you.

8) New Coach – FOR ALL SCHOOLS

At the end of the day, a coach is the one responsible to make the final decision of how much (and if) an athlete will receive a scholarship. What happens sometimes is that Coach X will bring you in and promise you a certain amount of money for each year. Then, for some reason, that Coach is fired or resigns and Coach Y is hired. Coach Y might not see the same potential in you, not like your attitude, or just flat out be an a-hole. If he’s really committed to getting your scholarship taken away from you, he might be able to find a reason to do so.
 
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Lady Vol Guru said:
If you had a brain, you’d take it out and play with it!

Out of the D1 Manual. The autonomy schools are the P5 schools:
For instance, Bylaw 15.3, which covers the terms and conditions of awarding financial aid is split between autonomy and non-autonomy schools. According to the Manual, scholarships of athletes competing at autonomy schools cannot be revoked due to injuries, illnesses, or in light of poor athletic performances. However, no such stipulation exists for athletes competing at non-autonomy schools, meaning that at the mid-major level, scholarship renewals, reductions, and cancellations are typically contingent on the decision of the head coach.
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The conferences that comprise the Power Five are designated by the NCAA, individually by name, as "autonomy conferences". Section 5.3.2.1 of the NCAA Constitution grants such conferences autonomy "to permit the use of resources to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes and for legislative changes that will otherwise enhance student-athlete well-being". Eleven areas of autonomy are listed, including promotional activities unrelated to athletics participation, pre-enrollment expenses and support, and financial aid
 
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#1,937
Bakers1 said:
So defensive right off the bat..lol You are naive if you think scholarships are not renewed due to injuries or performance. Is that the official cause - NO....All a coach has to do is tell a player they aren't starting or they won't play a big role next year. Most players who want to go pro are likely to transfer..Sure some will stay in that scenario. Whether its annually or guaranteed coaches don't like to pull scholarships period but there are other ways. There's a lot of grey area ...Below is the real world

The following reasons have different rules for schools that follow Power 5 rules and for the ones that don’t, so make sure to read it until the end:

5) Athlete Violates Non-Athletic Documented Policy

If your school follows this Power 5 rule, it means that they might take your scholarship away if you fail to comply with some academic standards or some other rules specified by the athletic department or by the team.

6) Injury

This is where it starts getting a little complicated. If you were awarded a scholarship for an established period of time, the NCAA states that a coach cannot reduce the scholarship during that time due to “an injury, illness, or physical or mental medical condition” of an athlete.” For schools that don’t follow Power 5 rules, a coach might decide to not renew an injured athlete’s scholarship once the initial scholarship period is over.

For schools that DO follow Power 5 rules, a coach cannot take that into consideration when debating whether to renew the scholarship or not. So if you go to such a school, get a scholarship for a year and get injured during that year, a coach technically cannot take that into consideration when deciding if he’s gonna renew your scholarship for the next year or not. However, in reality, things do not always happen that way and sometimes coaches might find a way to get that scholarship taken away from you.

7) Not Performing Well

This has the same applications as the injury rule: a coach cannot cancel your scholarship during an established scholarship period due to “ a student-athlete’s athletic ability, performance or contribution to a team’s success.” Power 5 rules establish that a coach cannot consider that when it comes time to decide to renew a scholarship or not. So if you get a one-year athletic scholarship, work extremely hard, but still are not able to make the starting team, a coach from a Power 5 school cannot technically reduce or cancel your scholarship because of that. Once again, some coaches might be able to find a loophole and still take your money away from you.

8) New Coach – FOR ALL SCHOOLS

At the end of the day, a coach is the one responsible to make the final decision of how much (and if) an athlete will receive a scholarship. What happens sometimes is that Coach X will bring you in and promise you a certain amount of money for each year. Then, for some reason, that Coach is fired or resigns and Coach Y is hired. Coach Y might not see the same potential in you, not like your attitude, or just flat out be an a-hole. If he’s really committed to getting your scholarship taken away from you, he might be able to find a reason to do so.
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If a coach attempts to pull a scholarship for injury or performance at a P5 school, a good lawyer will make the school pay handsomely. NCAA rules are very clear what conditions warrant the discontinuation of a scholarship; injuries and performance are NOT criteria.

Scholarships are a contract between the school and student athlete. This contract is very explicit in the area of revocation. Follow team and university rules at a P5 school and your scholarship is good for four years. NO exceptions!
 
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Lady Vol Guru said:
If a coach attempts to pull a scholarship for injury or performance at a P5 school, a good lawyer will make the school pay handsomely. NCAA rules are very clear what conditions warrant the discontinuation of a scholarship; injuries and performance are NOT criteria.

Scholarships are a contract between the school and student athlete. This contract is very explicit in the area of revocation. Follow team and university rules at a P5 school and your scholarship is good for four years. NO exceptions!
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They are not so defined and explicit that they are without loopholes or other avenues. If you know an AD or Sr AD ask them if this happens. I am lucky enough to know someone in the business who spent 35 years in the original Big East and Big 10. I know the answer. I'm not saying it's regular thing. As a matter of fact that is why I said coaches do what they can to get the kid to leave on their own rather than pull a scholarship. I'm guessing a lot of families would rather a kid who has a chance to go pro transfer than risk losing money, valuable time and a lawsuit (this part is just a guess on my part) Athletics are dirty business sometimes. In a perfect world sure the student sues he/she wins yeah! Even if they win that student most likely wouldn't be so popular. It's not a perfect world and even if the kid stays or wins the lawsuit there is nothing forcing the coach to play that kid. Simply put right or wrong coaches find ways to get rid of players even based off performance (albeit not the stated reason)...
 
#1,947
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GameTime said:
The movie "One on One" dealt with a coach wanting a college basketball player to denounce his scholarship, because he did not perform up to their expectations.....

I always thought a student was on a four year ride, but I had never heard it explained before....

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This is a 1977 movie. A lot has changed since 1977 as far as college sports and scholarships. And it's a movie not factually based it was written by the star Robbie Benson
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GameTime said:
The movie "One on One" dealt with a coach wanting a college basketball player to denounce his scholarship, because he did not perform up to their expectations.....

I always thought a student was on a four year ride, but I had never heard it explained before....

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Robby Benson's voice always grated on my nerves.
 
#1,950
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Bakers1 said:
They are not so defined and explicit that they are without loopholes or other avenues. If you know an AD or Sr AD ask them if this happens. I am lucky enough to know someone in the business who spent 35 years in the original Big East and Big 10. I know the answer. I'm not saying it's regular thing. As a matter of fact that is why I said coaches do what they can to get the kid to leave on their own rather than pull a scholarship. I'm guessing a lot of families would rather a kid who has a chance to go pro transfer than risk losing money, valuable time and a lawsuit (this part is just a guess on my part) Athletics are dirty business sometimes. In a perfect world sure the student sues he/she wins yeah! Even if they win that student most likely wouldn't be so popular. It's not a perfect world and even if the kid stays or wins the lawsuit there is nothing forcing the coach to play that kid. Simply put right or wrong coaches find ways to get rid of players even based off performance (albeit not the stated reason)...
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but If everybody listens to her story of they try to run her off other recuits might not want to come to team that does honor their word
 
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