2024 Presidential Race

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whodeycin85 said:
If you voted 3rd party or didn't vote at all..then technically your vote lost to Biden as well..then in 2016 if you did the same you lost yo Trump...sonis it good practice to vote or not vote when both lost in every election?? Voting for a utopia that won't exist without a compete takeover of the US seems pointless.
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This isn't a team sport. Voting for change you want to see isn't a loss. Seeing 2 absolutely horrible options get put in the WH is the loss.

The idiocy around a 3rd party vote simply won't die
 
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utvolpj said:
This isn't a team sport. Voting for change you want to see isn't a loss. Seeing 2 absolutely horrible options get put in the WH is the loss.

The idiocy around a 3rd party vote simply won't die
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Well if voting for a guy who lost yo Biden once is dumb..which was the post on responded to said..then voting for a 3rd party or not voting is equally as dumb because they lose every election. So yea while voting isn't a team sport..slinging crap and thinking you have a high ground waiting for a utopia that will never exist just doesn't make sense..the type of changes needed cannot be done via voting....it's need a regime change...and ideological change that Americans are not capable of making at this point due to the years of being programmed.
 
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McDad said:
That's in line with what Sandman offered.

Thanks for the answer.
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Portland Oregon we have to pay serves $10.75
Georgia we pay $2.13

So I looked it up. Obviously not the only reason for the price difference, but probably the biggest driver, the cost of our most popular entree is almost 9% more expensive in Oregon.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Well if voting for a guy who lost yo Biden once is dumb..which was the post on responded to said..then voting for a 3rd party or not voting is equally as dumb because they lose every election. So yea while voting isn't a team sport..slinging crap and thinking you have a high ground waiting for a utopia that will never exist just doesn't make sense..the type of changes needed cannot be done via voting....it's need a regime change...and ideological change that Americans are not capable of making at this point due to the years of being programmed.
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It is a tough spot so I can sympathize with someone voting 3rd Party (my vote often votes that way or doesn't vote at all).

I tend to follow your pattern and vote for one of the main parties. 95% of the time it is Republican. I was more open to the Democrats pre-Obama (or even Obama first term as I did vote for him first term) before they went extreme left.

I am probably a red vote down the line now as the left (especially via the media) just doesn't have the right values. I see Trump as a middle finger to MSNBC, Academic, Democratic leadership, mainstream Republicans, etc. for how they have treated (or mistreated) our nation. Trump isn't great and I voted against him in the Primaries but he is that counter against everything that is running our nation into the group.

The problem with arguing with the never Trumpers is that I can agree with a lot of their comments about Trump but when I ask them to look at the problems on the left, it is silence. The left is truly ruining our nation. You can see it with California. The problem is that people won't wake up and see that by voting for someone like Trump, you are also voting for the Democrats and left to change and come back to sane levels. If you vote Harris/Walz, you are going to only amplify their view that our country wants to go left, wants socialism, wants woke, and doesn't care about national debt or how high you tax them.

However, there is no secret that Trump doesn't follow a lot of my values and comes off as selfish or incompetent at times.

EDIT: The issue about politics today is that where you grow up really matters. Someone growing up in Los Angeles vs someone growing up in Manchester, Tennessee are going to have a very different look at politics.
 
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Obviously hiring is a big issue in the restaurant industry but I'm not sure why if folks like my daughter are pulling in $38/hr
 
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volbound1700 said:
It is a tough spot so I can sympathize with someone voting 3rd Party (my vote often votes that way or doesn't vote at all).

I tend to follow your pattern and vote for one of the main parties. 95% of the time it is Republican. I was more open to the Democrats pre-Obama (or even Obama first term as I did vote for him first term) before they went extreme left.

I am probably a red vote down the line now as the left (especially via the media) just doesn't have the right values. I see Trump as a middle finger to MSNBC, Academic, Democratic leadership, mainstream Republicans, etc. for how they have treated (or mistreated) our nation. Trump isn't great and I voted against him in the Primaries but he is that counter against everything that is running our nation into the group.

The problem with arguing with the never Trumpers is that I can agree with a lot of their comments about Trump but when I ask them to look at the problems on the left, it is silence. The left is truly ruining our nation. You can see it with California. The problem is that people won't wake up and see that by voting for someone like Trump, you are also voting for the Democrats and left to change and come back to sane levels. If you vote Harris/Walz, you are going to only amplify their view that our country wants to go left, wants socialism, wants woke, and doesn't care about national debt or how high you tax them.

However, there is no secret that Trump doesn't follow a lot of my values and comes off as selfish or incompetent at times.

EDIT: The issue about politics today is that where you grow up really matters. Someone growing up in Los Angeles vs someone growing up in Manchester, Tennessee are going to have a very different look at politics.
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I don't have a problem with people voting however they want...I have issue with people thinking their better and slinging crap at both side while literally having no voting skin in the game. It becomes a form of wokeness.."oh I'm better then you because I didn't vote for either". More often then not those here that do that propose no other viable options or a realistic way to fix the issues..it all of defense of some false unattainable utopia that only exist in their head or scifi novels and even in those novels the utopia is all fake anyway for elites in power to control the masses.
 
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hog88 said:
Sorry, my "and" was me asking how those pictures refute Trumps statement. Also I'm not so sure his statement is stupid considering many of the policies Walz has pushed as a Rep and Gov.
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So what are these hell on earth policies? Worse than Trump's trade protectionism, handouts, and wasteful government spending that sent us spiraling down this inflationary path?
 
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hog88 said:
All of the above PLUS higher taxes, increased illegal immigration, gun control, attacks on the 1A.
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You still talking about Trump? I seriously can't tell. You know illegal immigration (as measured by border apprehensions) doubled in Trump's final year in office. Literally doubled every year of Obama's 2nd term. You know tariffs and inflation are hidden taxes. Trump did cut some taxes but made no meaningful difference at all to our tax burden in the long run. We're still paying for his sins with high prices. What about Trump's gun control ideas and attempts? LOL. Threats to 1A, like publicly encouraging alphabet agencies to look into media outlets critical of him?

Who are you talking about?

The nice thing is VP has almost no direct power, so not sure how he could even unleash hell on earth.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Tipping is absurd anyway. I get that it is nice to throw someone a little extra when they go above and beyond, but it is to the point of being pressured to not only tip, but to tip up to %30.
Trump should be pushing for congress to pass a law where companies can no longer pay less than minimum wage and let the market dictate workers wages.
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You're talking about changing the entire service culture that's been around for 100+ years. A radical change like that will, without a doubt, lead to small business closures en masse.

I'd be okay, because my bar is mostly spirits in terms of sales(and I pay my staff 10-15 hour plus tips) but running a restaurant (especially fine dining) has incredibly thin profit margins. You're talking about increasing your labor on the floor anywhere from 160-400$/hour. It just isn't viable with operational costs being where they are right now.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You still talking about Trump? I seriously can't tell. You know illegal immigration (as measured by border apprehensions) doubled in Trump's final year in office. Literally doubled every year of Obama's 2nd term. You know tariffs and inflation are hidden taxes. Trump did cut some taxes but made no meaningful difference at all to our tax burden in the long run. We're still paying for his sins with high prices. What about Trump's gun control ideas and attempts? LOL. Threats to 1A, like publicly encouraging alphabet agencies to look into media outlets critical of him?

Who are you talking about?
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You're a little slow on the uptake today.

Harris/Walz will double down on all of the bad things Trump did and then some. I thought my post was pretty obvious as to what and who I was referring to.
 
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