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hog88 said:
No, one is not more legitimate or trustworthy than the other.
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LOL........
So if I had you rank 20 news sources (which included both FOX and CNN) for legitimacy and trustworthiness, would you have all 20 ranked exactly the same?
 
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luthervol said:
But one more than the other.
All sources are not equal.
No source is perfectly legitimate or trustworthy.
So what is one to do????
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read both, and others, and actually find out the truth yourself.

picking one because it is ever so slightly different than the other is not an improvement on your continuum. the determination of which is better usually comes down to which you (generally not specifically) prefer from a political standpoint. not any objective study of which is better or the specific content in question.

its like arguing over the flavors of ice cream. but in this case, its flavors of poop. do you prefer chocolate poop or vanilla poop? You may prefer vanilla, but that doesn't mean it isn't poop, or that your choice is any better than someone who prefers chocolate.
 
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@luthervol Once you wise up and realize that both CNN and Fox are controlled by members of The Council on Foreign Relations as is the case with most of the MSM you might come to understand none of them are trustworthy.
 
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KptVFL said:
Sick burn.

You did call me an idiot in backhanded, cowardly way. Exactly what I'd expect from you.
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Nope. But continuing this conversation would certainly be idiotic..
Did I call you an idiot then?
I guess it depends on whether or not you respond.
 
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luthervol said:
LOL........
So if I had you rank 20 news sources (which included both FOX and CNN) for legitimacy and trustworthiness, would you have all 20 ranked exactly the same?
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I trust CNN's content of Trump the same as I trust Fox's content on Biden Kamala.

speaking of, I don't remember Fox lying to the public about how sharp Biden was. seems like the most important story in this election CNN at the very least buried the lead if not down right lied about it. for years. Not sure what Fox has done that would come close to that whopper, and active participation in election fraud.
 
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luthervol said:
LOL........
So if I had you rank 20 news sources (which included both FOX and CNN) for legitimacy and trustworthiness, would you have all 20 ranked exactly the same?
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I would say you committed a category error. Their job is not “news”. Their job is to manufacture consent based on the desires of the elite class. The fact that they deceptively market themselves as “news” is prima facia evidence of their untrustworthiness.
 
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luthervol said:
CNN will be more diligent fact checking Harris than will FOX be fact checking Trump.

For all of CNN's flaws, it's still far more legitimate and trustworthy than is FOX.
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Which one ran Steele Dossier and Russian Collusion as truth? Maybe even glazed over Hunter laptop. Asking for trustworthy options.

Your age is showing, liberal media isn’t the good guys.
 
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LouderVol said:
I trust CNN's content of Trump the same as I trust Fox's content on Biden Kamala.

speaking of, I don't remember Fox lying to the public about how sharp Biden was. seems like the most important story in this election CNN at the very least buried the lead if not down right lied about it. for years. Not sure what Fox has done that would come close to that whopper, and active participation in election fraud.
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Fox was the primary cheerleader for war in Iraq which was way worse than the Biden cover up imo.
 
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Fox agreed to a $787M defamation settlement over their 2020 Election Coverage. That's what they AGREED to after the memos came out that the leadership thought the stolen election story was crap, but they still were going to run with it.

CNN is trash. Fox is no beacon of journalistic excellence either.

Both statements are true.
 
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hog88 said:
There are multiple notices (orders) prior to a deployment. At that time NG units were getting mobilization warning orders 12-18 months in advance, then they would get their activation orders then their actual deployment orders. So in short they generally knew about a year in advance of even being activated let alone being deployed.
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That's not what Fox News has reported .....

.... and so what, anyway?

The man served 24 years. He had signaled his intention to retire several months before he actually did ... to run for Congress, which he had filed candidacy paperwork for before receiving notification of potential deployment. This is such a stupid line of attack from Trump's supporters.
 
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LouderVol said:
read both, and others, and actually find out the truth yourself.

picking one because it is ever so slightly different than the other is not an improvement on your continuum. the determination of which is better usually comes down to which you (generally not specifically) prefer from a political standpoint. not any objective study of which is better or the specific content in question.

its like arguing over the flavors of ice cream. but in this case, its flavors of poop. do you prefer chocolate poop or vanilla poop? You may prefer vanilla, but that doesn't mean it isn't poop, or that your choice is any better than someone who prefers chocolate.
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I understand your point but somewhat disagree.
To me it's that one ice cream has one part per million insect poop and one has 17 parts per million.

To claim that they are both simply ice creams with poop with no differentiation only leads to more poop in the ice creams of the future.

Whereas, if people make it a point to only purchase the ice cream with the least poop, then the incentive of ice cream manufactures will be to reduce the amount of poop.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And I’m stating you know you’re about to deploy well in advance of the official order
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And I'm stating that Walz had signaled his intentions to retire and run for Congress well in advance of the official order as well.

.... and once again, this is such an odd line of attack coming from supporters of "Cadet Bone Spurs." Walz served 24 years.
 
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hog88 said:
@luthervol Once you wise up and realize that both CNN and Fox are controlled by members of The Council on Foreign Relations as is the case with most of the MSM you might come to understand none of them are trustworthy.
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False equivalencies are and always have been the life blood of trumpism.....it's the only way it can exist.

Which is precisely why I have made it a point to ALWAYS talk about continuums.
Because it's the slight differences that make all the difference.
Otherwise, you end up exactly where we now find ourselves.
 
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luthervol said:
I understand your point but somewhat disagree.
To me it's that one ice cream has one part per million insect poop and one has 17 parts per million.

To claim that they are both simply ice creams with poop with no differentiation only leads to more poop in the ice creams of the future.

Whereas, if people make it a point to only purchase the ice cream with the least poop, then the incentive of ice cream manufactures will be to reduce the amount of poop.
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I'm not trusting ice cream from anyone that puts 1 ppm poop in it because I don't accept poop in my ice cream. Sounds like you are a connoisseur.
 
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