2024 Presidential Race

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kiddiedoc said:
I certainly don't "tout one guy for president." I've said a hundred times that he wasn't my choice.

As for issues (which my vote depends on), I consider the D agenda bad, at best, and evil in many respects. I've already told you where I stand on key positions.

Something someone says at a campaign rally or in a Tweet is completely irrelevant.
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I respect the fact you vote on issues which you believe best serve you and your family.

Where do you get your info to develop the opinion that Democrats are "evil" in many respects? Certainly all large groups have bad apples. I saw where you labeled a few policies as "catastrophic". You don't think using those terms is a bit hyperbolic? Just curious
 
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volfanhill said:
The main issue I have is police ordering people where to go when on their own property. The fact the state thinks they have that power is disgusting. The fact the governor thinks he has that power is gross. The fact people would knowingly elect someone who thinks they have that power is scary as hell.
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Is this still about Tim Walz, though?

Police use poor judgment and do unnecessary stuff that I find disgusting while enforcing laws, all the time. This is that, I’m with you to that point.

But I’ve never considered blaming the governor or the legislature, that I can remember.

It seems like reasonable minds can differ as to the curfew itself. (People were blaming him a few days ago for not calling in the national guard. I don’t know what the expectation was for what the national guard was going to do, but I doubt it was to scrupulously honor everyone’s rights).

I may have missed something about the order that ties it more firmly to him?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Is this still about Tim Walz, though?

Police use poor judgment and do unnecessary stuff that I find disgusting while enforcing laws, all the time. This is that, I’m with you to that point.

But I’ve never considered blaming the governor or the legislature, that I can remember.

It seems like reasonable minds can differ as to the curfew itself. (People were blaming him a few days ago for not calling in the national guard. I don’t know what the expectation was for what the national guard was going to do, but I doubt it was to scrupulously honor everyone’s rights).

I may have missed something about the order that ties it more firmly to him?
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Seems like these questions are getting jumbled:
Is the curfew unlawful?
Does the curfew necessitate the officers’ actions?

If either of those is “yes” then it seems like a big problem for Walz. If they’re both “no” then move on to:

Is the curfew prudent?

Which seems more like a matter of opinion, subject to reasonable disagreement.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Is this still about Tim Walz, though?

Police use poor judgment and do unnecessary stuff that I find disgusting while enforcing laws, all the time. This is that, I’m with you to that point.

But I’ve never considered blaming the governor or the legislature, that I can remember.

It seems like reasonable minds can differ as to the curfew itself. (People were blaming him a few days ago for not calling in the national guard. I don’t know what the expectation was for what the national guard was going to do, but I doubt it was to scrupulously honor everyone’s rights).

I may have missed something about the order that ties it more firmly to him?
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Here is his curfew order and his specifically includes private property including driveways.

For the purposes of this Executive Order, a “public place” is any place, whether on privately or publicly owned property, accessible to the general 3 public, including but not limited to public streets and roads, alleys, highways, driveways, sidewalks, parks, vacant lots, and unsupervised property.
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https://mn.gov/governor/assets/EO 20-65 Final_tcm1055-434635.pdf
 
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luthervol said:
You must have missed my earlier post on trump and Project '25.
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No I didn't miss it. It was one guy trying to raise money for his cause and was boasting, nothing in that article tied Trump to Project 2025.

I'll stick to my original claim, Trump did not seize additional power or abuse it even when he was begged to do so. Biden jumped at the chance at if not for the courts he would have abused his power even more than he did.
 
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luthervol said:
I can't think of anyone more likely to attempt to increase and abuse governmental powers than trump.
Not even close.
How someone can fear and dislike the government while supporting trump is beyond me.
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Trump failed the ultimate big government power-grab test, though.

It was right there for him to take, and he just watched it float by.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Trump failed the ultimate big government power-grab test, though.

It was right there for him to take, and he just watched it float by.
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It's the biggest compliment he deserves from his term. I don't think any POTUS in my lifetime wouldn't have taken advantage of that moment to extend their power
 
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volfanhill said:
It's the biggest compliment he deserves from his term. I don't think any POTUS in my lifetime wouldn't have taken advantage of that moment to extend their power
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Him not seizing more and abusing the power he had actually surprised me because you're right, 2020 was a wet dream for most presidents.
 
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volfanhill said:
It's the biggest compliment he deserves from his term. I don't think any POTUS in my lifetime wouldn't have taken advantage of that moment to extend their power
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I’m not sure he deserves compliments lol, but it certainly doesn’t support the cries that he is just waiting to accrue unchecked and outsized powers unto himself.
 
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hog88 said:
Here is his curfew order and his specifically includes private property including driveways.



https://mn.gov/governor/assets/EO 20-65 Final_tcm1055-434635.pdf
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Thank you.

I have a hard time believing that a residence was intended to be considered a “public place” because it is not “accessible to the general public,” but the inclusion of driveways sure makes that more difficult because I don’t usually consider businesses to have a driveway.

Private property can be a public place. E.g. the Best Buy parking lot or the car dealership where things flared up between whatsisface and that lunatic that chased him.
 
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hog88 said:
No I didn't miss it. It was one guy trying to raise money for his cause and was boasting, nothing in that article tied Trump to Project 2025.

I'll stick to my original claim, Trump did not seize additional power or abuse it even when he was begged to do so. Biden jumped at the chance at if not for the courts he would have abused his power even more than he did.
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Then we have yet another issue in which we simply disagree.

Without the least bit of doubt, I believe trump to be the greatest threat to abuse of power that we have ever faced.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Thank you.

I have a hard time believing that a residence was intended to be considered a “public place” because it is not “accessible to the general public,” but the inclusion of driveways sure makes that more difficult because I don’t usually consider businesses to have a driveway.

Private property can be a public place. E.g. the Best Buy parking lot or the car dealership where things flared up between whatsisface and that lunatic that chased him.
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I agree, a grocery parking lot is private property but public space. A homes driveway is not public space.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Trump failed the ultimate big government power-grab test, though.

It was right there for him to take, and he just watched it float by.
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lol....Attempting to steal the election was a tad bit larger.
He's not for big government, he's for big trump.......it's only when they align that he becomes interested.
 
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hog88 said:
No I didn't miss it. It was one guy trying to raise money for his cause and was boasting, nothing in that article tied Trump to Project 2025.

I'll stick to my original claim, Trump did not seize additional power or abuse it even when he was begged to do so. Biden jumped at the chance at if not for the courts he would have abused his power even more than he did.
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Yep. Covid was just as good as if not a better opportunity than 9/11. Trump left it to the states to manage themselves. Biden tried to force vaccine mandates through OSHA.
 
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luthervol said:
Then we have yet another issue in which we simply disagree.

Without the least bit of doubt, I believe trump to be the greatest threat to abuse of power that we have ever faced.
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I have no doubt that you do believe that even though there is no actual basis in reality for the belief.

I'm sure there are adults that still believe in Santa Claus.
 
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85SugarVol said:
They both are true.

I’ve always recognized both as being true. You’ve consistently whistled past the 2nd.
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No, I didn't.

I was merely trying to get the vast majority of the posters in the PF who consistently denied the first to reluctantly admit that it was true.

Remember - it's about a 1 to 20 ratio.
 
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hog88 said:
I have no doubt that you do believe that even though there is no actual basis in reality for the belief.

I'm sure there are adults that still believe in Santa Claus.
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Maybe the attempt to steal an election????????????
 
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TheDeeble said:
Yep. Covid was just as good as if not a better opportunity than 9/11. Trump left it to the states to manage themselves. Biden tried to force vaccine mandates through OSHA.
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Can attest that the mandates wiped out nursing, we are just now starting to rebound, but a lot of them are very young and inexperienced.. try not to go to the hospital if you can avoid it 😂
 
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