2024 Presidential Race

[volfanhill]

The endorsement was predicated on RFK Jr. being guaranteed a cabinet position. One told him "No," and one told him "Yes."

The endorsement was predicated on RFK Jr. being guaranteed a cabinet position. One told him "No," and one told him "Yes."

Clyburns endorsement was based on Biden putting a black person on his ticket. Can you point me to your outrage from then? If not, then you should probably look in the mirror.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Horse trading is part of politics. The nominee you support for POTUS would not have the job if it hadn't been for horse trading between Biden and Clyburn. This isn't scandalous or hard to understand.

I didn't say it was scandalous ... but his endorsement is meaningless, since it was offered to both campaigns in exchange for a cabinet post.

 

[volinbham]

let's dig into the assumption that he was only shopping a cabinet position.

what's the source of this information?

 

[volfanhill]

I didn't say it was scandalous ... but his endorsement is meaningless since it was offered to both campaigns in exchange for a cabinet post.

Who cares about his endorsement? Are you seriously worried it's going to matter? Bro find something to care about that matters. His endorsement means close to nothing. And he's hunting for a job bc he's poor. That was a dumb take by you. He's hunting for influence. Just like a certain Senator from South Carolina who single handily saved Joe's nomination. I wonder if he will influence Harris if she wins? What do you think?

 

[BowlBrother85]

let's dig into the assumption that he was only shopping a cabinet position.

what's the source of this information?

The New York Times, from just 9 days ago.. See the article linked below.

Kennedy Sought a Meeting With Harris to Discuss a Cabinet Post

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administration job, according to two people briefed on the outreach.

www.nytimes.com

From the sub-heading just underneath the headline from The New York Times article linked up above :

"Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administrative job, according to two people briefed on the outreach."

 

[85SugarVol]

And the left's alternative to right leaning RCP (538) is much closer aligned to numbers Im using.

People just dont vote for third parties in battleground states....

I didn’t realize 538 was Left and RCP was Right. I viewed them both as fairly centric.

 

[volfanhill]

The New York Times, from just 9 days ago.. See the article linked below.

Kennedy Sought a Meeting With Harris to Discuss a Cabinet Post

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administration job, according to two people briefed on the outreach.

www.nytimes.com

From the sub-heading just underneath the headline from The New York Times article linked up above :

"Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administrative job, according to two people briefed on the outreach."

Clyburn wouldn't endorse Biden until he promised to name a black VP. Point me to your outrage


And only one person met with him. You don't know what he wanted. Harris doesn't either.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Who cares about his endorsement? Are you seriously worried it's going to matter? Bro find something to care about that matters. His endorsement means close to nothing. And he's hunting for a job bc he's poor. That was a dumb take by you. He's hunting for influence. Just like a certain Senator from South Carolina who single handily saved Joe's nomination. I wonder if he will influence Harris if she wins? What do you think?

We agree.

I was just pointing out that RFK Jr.'s endorsement means nothing, because he was willing to give it to whoever offered him a cabinet post. If you don't care about that subject? That's great, but nobody has forced you to reply to my posts either.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

RCP leans right by averaging the results of polls from mostly leftist sources?

538 has a few left leaning ones mixed in with the moderate ones. RCP has some of the same moderate ones mixed in with some right leaning ones.

Its why RCP has Trump winning EC and why 538 has Kamala winning EC....

 

[volfanhill]

We agree.

I was just pointing out that RFK Jr.'s endorsement means nothing, because he was willing to give it to whoever offered him a cabinet post. If you don't care about that subject? That's great, but nobody has forced you to reply to my posts either.

I don't care about his endorsement. I do care about people trying to misrepresent it as some sort of sketchy quid-pro-quo

 

[LadyVolette]

As if open borders and all this woke BS is good for it? Damn

I liked it much better when everyone just minded their own business and lived their lives (circa pre- 2008 or so)…and before our border got bum rushed also It was just less stressful in general.. people also weren’t demanding that you had to accept things that were contradictory to your values either.. it’s crazy

 

[BowlBrother85]

You don't know what he wanted. Harris doesn't either.

Per The New Times article from August 14, 2024 ....

"RFK Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administrative job, according to two people briefed on the outreach."

 

[volinbham]

The New York Times, from just 9 days ago.. See the article linked below.

Kennedy Sought a Meeting With Harris to Discuss a Cabinet Post

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administration job, according to two people briefed on the outreach.

www.nytimes.com

From the sub-heading just underneath the headline from The New York Times article linked up above :

"Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administrative job, according to two people briefed on the outreach."

okay so now we start to parse this:

you claim cabinet position - article says top administrative job. not the same thing as there are only 15 cabinet positions.

next, who do you think the two people who were briefed were? likely they were Harris operatives. are they more trustworthy than RFKJr himself?

in his talk today RFKJr explained his rationale of reaching out to each party in search of a unity party or common ground on his top policy initiatives. He didn't claim he required a cabinet position for his endorsement but rather receptivity to his policy priorities in which ever administration he supported.

so we are left with a who is telling it straight issue. I see no reason to believe Harris insiders over RFKJr on the why of his endorsement.

making the claim that he needs or wants a cabinet position rather than wanting his policies advanced and will endorse anyone for it is just pure speculation given what facts we have.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don't care about his endorsement. I do care about people trying to misrepresent it as some sort of sketchy quid-pro-quo

Per The New York Times article from August 14, 2024 that I keep posting and referring back to :

It was a quid-pro-quo offer. RFK Jr. offered his endorsement to both candidates in exchange for a top administrative job. Harris said "No," and Trump said "Yes."

 

[volinbham]

Per The New Times article from August 14, 2024 ....

"RFK Jr. was unsuccessful with his request to discuss endorsing the Democratic nominee in exchange for a top administrative job, according to two people briefed on the outreach."

see my post above: recap - top administrative job is not cabinet and the two people are likely Harris team members (who we all know would never, ever exaggerate the situation).

 

[volinbham]

Per The New York Times article from August 14, 2024 that I keep posting and referring back to :

It was a quid-pro-quo offer. RFK Jr. offered his endorsement to both candidates in exchange for a top administrative job. Harris said "No," and Trump said "Yes."

show where Trump said yes.

you are just making stuff up.

deal with facts and you'll get less pushback to your posts

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I didn’t realize 538 was Left and RCP was Right. I viewed them both as fairly centric.

538 is owned by Disney and a quick look at RCP's home page shows its obvious leaning.

They get to different answers by including (or excluding) certain polls from their analysis...

 

[volfanhill]

Per The New York Times article from August 14, 2024 that I keep posting and referring back to :

It was a quid-pro-quo offer. RFK Jr. offered his endorsement to both candidates in exchange for a top administrative job. Harris said "No," and Trump said "Yes."

WHERE WERE YOUR ISSUES WITH THE HARRiS VP QUID PRO QUO?

If you didn't have one then why the hell are you talking ?

 

[BowlBrother85]

you claim cabinet position - article says top administrative job. not the same thing as there are only 15 cabinet positions.

I'm not playing your hair-splitting games ... RFK Jr. wanted a job. Period.

Because of your tribal nature and stubbornness, you are unable to acknowledge what has been detailed :

RFK Jr. offered his endorsement to both campaigns in exchange for a job. Harris said "No," and Trump said "Yes." There is nothing else to say. You will trust only what serves your tribal belief system ... and you have too much pride to concede when you are wrong.

So, we have reached the stage where this is a pointless waste of time.

 

[volfanhill]

I'm not playing your hair-splitting games ... RFK Jr. wanted a job. Period.

Because of your tribal nature and stubbornness, you are unable to acknowledge what has been detailed :

RFK Jr. offered his endorsement to both campaigns in exchange for a job. Harris said "No," and Trump said "Yes." There is nothing else to say. You will trust only what serves your tribal belief system ... and you have too much pride to concede when you are wrong.

So, we have reached the stage where this is a pointless waste of time.

Per usual, you are trying to pretend this is something new bc you hate trump. Take a breather

 

[volinbham]

I'm not playing your hair-splitting games ... RFK Jr. wanted a job. Period.

Because of your tribal nature and stubbornness, you are unable to acknowledge what has been detailed :

RFK Jr. offered his endorsement to both campaigns in exchange for a job. Harris said "No," and Trump said "Yes." There is nothing else to say. You will trust only what serves your tribal belief system ... and you have too much pride to concede when you are wrong.

So, we have reached the stage where this is a pointless waste of time.

seems you've been the one exaggerating - "he needs a job because he's broke" okay he just wants a job. "he demanded a cabinet position" okay top advisor is the same thing.

examine your biases. you made a bold statement that is falling apart. open your mind

 

[BowlBrother85]

Per usual, you are trying to pretend this is something new bc you hate trump. Take a breather

I didn't say it was new. RFK Jr.'s endorsement is meaningless, because he was willing to give it to both candidates in exchange for a job. That is what I have said.

 

[BowlBrother85]

seems you've been the one exaggerating - "he needs a job because he's broke" okay he just wants a job. "he demanded a cabinet position" okay top advisor is the same thing.

examine your biases. you made a bold statement that is falling apart. open your mind

LOL.

My main point was always :

"RFK Jr.'s endorsement is meaningless, because he was willing to give it to both candidates, in exchange for a job."

At times, I allowed myself to be side-tracked ... but this was always my point. ^^^^

 

[volinbham]

LOL.

My main point was always :

"RFK Jr.'s endorsement is meaningless, because he was willing to give it to both candidates, in exchange for a job."

At times, I allowed myself to be side-tracked ... but this was always my point. ^^^^

the "in exchange for a job" is what we are saying is not supported. you made all sorts of justifications for your claim of this but they've all fallen apart.

 

[BowlBrother85]

the "in exchange for a job" is what we are saying is not supported. you made all sorts of justifications for your claim of this but they've all fallen apart.

It's what The New York Times article says. I have referred back to it countless times now.

I understand that you will only trust what supports your tribal belief system. I also understand that you are stubborn and like to split hairs when arguing.