2024 Presidential Race

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LouderVol said:
If you are just talking about labels: Racists, rapists (we want women pregnant against their will apparently), nazis, fascists, jim crow; the various religious rhetoric of churches supporting rapist/pedophiliac ministers, warmongers, everything right of Biden has been labeled "MAGA", including a never Trumper like me, so your dismissal of that rings pretty hollow, Putin fan boys, white supremacy, KKK.

each one of those has been thrown around way too much as destructive forces to the country. Not disagreeing if the shoe fits on some of these, but the divisive language/labels is just as prevalent and overplayed by the left.

and I am not sure how you are dismissing my previous list as just negatives, it went far beyond some ho-hum "these could be better". They wanted camps for the unvaccinated during Covid, us to lose jobs, and be denied every public service under the sun, taking away children. reeducation camps have been mentioned for anyone who votes for Trump. all of that "rhetoric" goes far beyond seeing the other view as just regrettable, or just the differences in preference.

and they certainly aren't going after everyone for the green stuff. Obama bought a house on the water after saying it would all be under water. the elites fly around on private jets to discuss global warming. Is it Kerry or Gore who lives in an 11 bedroom house? They have been directly targeting farmers to such a point where it would be impossible for them to farm, it has not been an equal hand in application at all.

as far as what I perceive it varies on who is in power, usually based on the president. Usually when its a democrat president in charge, I am a racist Nazi. When its a republican president in charge, I am child stealing communist. as long as you are different you are perceived as a direct threat to the nation.
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I am not talking about “labels,” I am not talking about things that are generally negative, I am talking about specifically “conservatives/liberals/wokeness is destroying this country.” One of those three terms is used in that sentence far less than the others. It’s not even that complicated and you insist on instead writing 8 paragraphs about everything BUT what I said. You are more than welcome to find someone who will argue your strawman with you
 
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New National Poll Shows Kamala Harris Up Seven Points over Donald Trump​


A controversial new poll has VP Kamala Harris with a substantial lead over Donald Trump.

According to a survey released by the Fairleigh Dickinson University, Harris is leading at 50 percent compared to Trump's 43 percent.

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Controversial national poll shows a candidate seven points ahead

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BigOrangeMojo said:
Biden brought them home in a box because of the incompetence of his administration...
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the 13 that died in 2021 would have been the second fewest who died under Trump.
2017, 15 died.
2018, 16 died
2019, 23 died,
2020, 11 died.

if you are going to be ticked about 13, I would expect at least some equal outrage for the 65 who did die under Trump.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I am not talking about “labels,” I am not talking about things that are generally negative, I am talking about specifically “conservatives/liberals/wokeness is destroying this country.” One of those three terms is used in that sentence far less than the others. It’s not even that complicated and you insist on instead writing 8 paragraphs about everything BUT what I said. You are more than welcome to find someone who will argue your strawman with you
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as I pointed out, anyone right of at least Biden, but probably more Kamala now, is lumped into "Maga". "conversative" doesn't exist on the national lexicon. everything remotely right is lumped into "MAGA", and have been linked to the destruction/downfall of this nation. you have completely framed the comparison to have completely weighted results to fit your preconceived bias.

apparently I need to spend another 8 paragraphs to try and get you to understand that point even after the second or third time I made it.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:

New National Poll Shows Kamala Harris Up Seven Points over Donald Trump​


A controversial new poll has VP Kamala Harris with a substantial lead over Donald Trump.

According to a survey released by the Fairleigh Dickinson University, Harris is leading at 50 percent compared to Trump's 43 percent.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Controversial national poll shows a candidate seven points ahead

DAILYMAIL.COM LIVE U.S. POLITICS BLOG: Follow all the developments from the campaign trail during the countdown to the general election.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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“Controversial” from “Fairleigh Dickinson University”…..Calling Richard G West.
 
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LouderVol said:
the 13 that died in 2021 would have been the second fewest who died under Trump.
2017, 15 died.
2018, 16 died
2019, 23 died,
2020, 11 died.

if you are going to be ticked about 13, I would expect at least some equal outrage for the 65 who did die under Trump.
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A third of those deaths under Trump were non combat deaths (i.e. heart attack, suicide etc).

Second, there is a difference in combat deaths in carrying out a military mission and deaths from a botched withdrawal due to administrative incompetence....

Not exactly apples to apples...
 
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HR McMaster says in his new book what I've been saying for years. Trump is susceptible to manipulation by way of insincere flattery. His narcissism is to such an extent that he isn't capable of identifying when an adversary such as Kim Jong-Un or Vladimir Putin is playing him like a fiddle.

Now .... watch the echo chamber attack McMaster.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
A third of those deaths under Trump were non combat deaths (i.e. heart attack, suicide etc).

Second, there is a difference in combat deaths in carrying out a military mission and deaths from a botched withdrawal due to administrative incompetence....

Not exactly apples to apples...
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Deaths from a military operation in Afghanistan. If we had pulled out those people would not have died in afg. Then the number of deaths from those who returned home is also a huge cost. Not bringing them home needlessly cost many lives for 2 decades
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
A third of those deaths under Trump were non combat deaths (i.e. heart attack, suicide etc).

Second, there is a difference in combat deaths in carrying out a military mission and deaths from a botched withdrawal due to administrative incompetence....

Not exactly apples to apples...
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MAGA cult member!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
HR McMaster says in his new book what I've been saying for years. Trump is susceptible to manipulation by way of insincere flattery. His narcissism is to such an extent that he isn't capable of identifying when an adversary such as Kim Jong-Un or Vladimir Putin is playing him like a fiddle.

Now .... watch the echo chamber attack McMaster.
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So he’s a politician. Not sure this will boost your street cred, but let it fly.
 
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utvolpj said:
Link? I also did not directly insult anyone in the same way Trump does. If you can't see the supreme then I can't help you
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utvolpj said:
Not really but he's made enough comments to know where he stands. Trump should be thankful that Mattis is a professional unlike himself
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Here is unprofessional...I had you mixed with another on the thinned skin.
 
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LouderVol said:
as I pointed out, anyone right of at least Biden, but probably more Kamala now, is lumped into "Maga". "conversative" doesn't exist on the national lexicon. everything remotely right is lumped into "MAGA", and have been linked to the destruction/downfall of this nation.
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If by “pointed out” you mean “made up,” then sure. The idea that everyone right of Kamala is viewed like Ron DeSantis, and therefore that everything said about MAGA is also applied to non-MAGA conservatives, is the foundation of most of what you’re saying and is baseless.

Hell, even “MAGA is destroying this country” or “MAGA is coming for your children” is uttered far less than it is about “the left,” probably because the right is more likely to view the country as “destroyed” in the first place. People do plenty of Chicken Littling about Trump installing himself as dictator or whatever but that’s a Trump/MAGA thing, not “conservatives”
 
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