2024 Presidential Race

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Septic said:
So a rinse and repeat of things he said he was going to do last time, but didn't. Plus, IVF for everyone and no tax on tips.

Thanks.
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as far as I have seen, yup.

innovation and change is the enemy of the parties. meeting campaign promises are too. why take care of a problem and make yourself irrelevant when you can just complain about it more and point fingers at your opponent while you do nothing about the problem.
 
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Septic said:
Did the U.S. start a war in the last four years?
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Not a declared one; but we are about as close as you can get when it comes to Ukraine. We are providing everything to except troops on the ground and i would not be surprised any day to see us sending in “advisors” like we did in Vietnam. We are deeply involved in Gaza as well and I expect China to continue to saber rattle in the South China Sea. Internationally things are the worst I have seen them since the Cold War ended. And yes, I know all of that is not directly Biden’s fault; but his reactions have been more destabilizing than calming.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
So were we energy independent. Yes or no.
Regardless of money the Abraham Accords were put in place, Iran was muzzled and there was peace in the Middle East. Yes or no.
Border crossings were at an all time low. Yes or no.
Massive government spending did not come until the Covid pandemic which was unprecedented times. Prior to the pandemic there was moderate spending and economically speaking America was headed in the positive direction. Yes or no.

Covid exposed piss poor leadership qualities of many leaders across the globe especially those who refused to look at the data and pressure their leaders into bad decisions like what happened in the United States. There were no good decisions by anyone in that time except for Sweden at the beginning then even they got a little sideways.
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Independent? No because it's a global commodity. We would need to expand our infrastructure to take advantage. There was little change in the ME except we went after Iran like Israel wanted. The rest were just paper. Immigration was not addressed. Not sure how you call trillion dollar deficits "moderate" and a "positive direction" but ok. The economy was shaky and propped up with the spending. It wasn't in a good place

Trump handed the White House microphone over to Fauci. He failed and then mortgaged the future with spending to try and buy votes. I don't really care what the rest of the world did
 
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Septic said:
Someone ought to explain to you how economy's work and that they don't operate in vacuums. Do you think inflation started at Biden's inauguration? The wonton spending that occurred during Trumps administration was the catalyst that deflated the value of the dollar. I'm not arguing it wasn't necessary due to the world economy and covid - but it happened on his watch. Let me ask you this, since inflation is slowing now - are you going to give credit to Trump if he wins or will you give it to KH?
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Absolutely he deserves some of the share of the responsibility. I wouldn't go as far to say that he was the catalyst in that his spending was significantly less than that of the Dems at the time but he does need to shoulder some of the blame. The reason for changing of the inflation at this time is laying purely with the Federal Reserve and what they do here shortly with the interest rates.

I will go on the flip side of you. If Trump wins, he takes away some business regulations, starts to drill, energy prices go down and overall general expenses go down are you going to give credit to Trump?
 
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LouderVol said:
same goes for you.

the Dems should be absolutely running away with this. instead of focusing on a good candidate who would have buried Trump under Trump's own faults, and better policy; they have instead turned to someone who is fumbling it away almost as much with the hope that Trump out bads Kamala's bad.

its embarrassing you try to defend the Ds at all.
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I'm not defending the Ds.
They have given us poor choices.......both parties should be embarrassed.
Trump is simply the worst.......and the fact he has been nominated three times worsens the problems exponentially.
 
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Septic said:
You're trying too hard.

When the reps for Arlington National Cemetary and the U.S. Army come out and chastise your actions, you know you f**ked up. Read that sentence again.

Your unwillingness to recognize that really exposes your TDS.

The low T bit is tired, humorous the first time but now you just sound like a kid who heard a new cussword. It's a distraction frow your busted ass argument.
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If you think the people in charge of the Army aren’t politically motivated then you are quite naive. I can almost guarantee you that the Biden/Harris administration directly called Arlington when they heard that Trump was coming and “strongly suggested” that they not allow him to embarrass the regime.
The rank and file Army soldiers are probably 80% Trump supporters; but the Generals running the show are all Biden appointments and it shows.
 
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Septic said:
You're trying too hard.

When the reps for Arlington National Cemetary and the U.S. Army come out and chastise your actions, you know you f**ked up. Read that sentence again.

Your unwillingness to recognize that really exposes your TDS.

The low T bit is tired, humorous the first time but now you just sound like a kid who heard a new cussword. It's a distraction frow your busted ass argument.
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At this points it’s not trying, it’s engaging. Your hatred is what keeps it going.

Not sure you telling someone “unwillingness to recognize” is a topic you need to discuss.

Again, as I said earlier in the week. I’m more concerned that it bothers liberals (or safe word independents) more that he was there and Biden/Harris or even Pete as a stand in wasn’t there.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
If you think the people in charge of the Army aren’t politically motivated then you are quite naive. I can almost guarantee you that the Biden/Harris administration directly called Arlington when they heard that Trump was coming and “strongly suggested” that they not allow him to embarrass the regime.
The rank and file Army soldiers are probably 80% Trump supporters; but the Generals running the show are all Biden appointments and it shows.
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There it is!
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not defending the Ds.
They have given us poor choices.......both parties should be embarrassed.
Trump is simply the worst.......and the fact he has been nominated three times worsens the problems exponentially.
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And he has served four years. Except for Covid (which was not his fault), no one can seem to point out what was so terrible about those four years. They were easily the most prosperous and calmest four years of my life. Heaven forbid we go back to peace, prosperity, and energy independence. Oh the absolute HORROR 😉
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And he has served four years. Except for Covid (which was not his fault), no one can seem to point out what was so terrible about those four years. They were easily the most prosperous and calmest four years of my life. Heaven forbid we go back to peace, prosperity, and energy independence. Oh the absolute HORROR 😉
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Agree. The economy drives elections and the simple question for voters is:

Between Trump and the socialist/communist ticket, which do you think will spend less money in DC and keep your taxes down over the next 4 years?
 
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DaddyChad said:
😂 yeah and he’s really intimidated by Kamala. Not like he’s invaded another country while she was in office.

See this is my issue. You throw crap like this at the wall thinking it makes you look intelligent. Are you really dumb enough to think Kamala is going to make Putin do anything other than what he wants to? He invaded Ukraine while your boy Biden was in office.
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The answer to your question is yes.
 
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CobbVol said:
Agree. The economy drives elections and the simple question for voters is:

Between Trump and the socialist/communist ticket, which do you think will spend less money in DC and keep your taxes down over the next 4 years?
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And the BIGGEST question which RFKJr made crystal clear, who is going to support and protect your right to say what you want to say and consume whatever media you wish to peruse?
The people trying to restrict speech have NEVER turned out to be the good guys at any time in history. And no, calling something you disagree with “disinformation” is not an acceptable work around.
 
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Weezer said:
So I just saw an interview with Trump where he was promising any American couple that wanted it free IVF treatments. What?? Just as I don't think taxpayer money should be used to pay for abortions, neither should it be used to pay for IVF treatments. That's something for individuals to pay for, not something government should be involved in.
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Trump 2024 is an absolute dumpster fire campaign and that is coming from someone who voted for him in 16. Totally different candidate today vs 2016.

He is basically 1996 Bill Clinton. Which is why moderate Dems are jumping on his campaign....while he disavows Project 2025 and thumbs his nose at his pro-life base. Im not voting for that. He can eff right off.
 
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DaddyChad said:
😂 yeah and he’s really intimidated by Kamala. Not like he’s invaded another country while she was in office.

See this is my issue. You throw crap like this at the wall thinking it makes you look intelligent. Are you really dumb enough to think Kamala is going to make Putin do anything other than what he wants to? He invaded Ukraine while your boy Biden was in office.
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I fully expect Kamala to get on the phone with Putin on day one and say “Let me be clear……”. And Putin will be laughing the whole conversation
 
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utvolpj said:
Independent? No because it's a global commodity. We would need to expand our infrastructure to take advantage. There was little change in the ME except we went after Iran like Israel wanted. The rest were just paper. Immigration was not addressed. Not sure how you call trillion dollar deficits "moderate" and a "positive direction" but ok. The economy was shaky and propped up with the spending. It wasn't in a good place

Trump handed the White House microphone over to Fauci. He failed and then mortgaged the future with spending to try and buy votes. I don't really care what the rest of the world did
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1. We were able to rely on American produced energy instead of the Oil Production of Eastern Countries (OPEC) and were able to provide exports to our allies. Flip that around where I hear Biden calling on the worst people in the world (OPEC) to produce more so we can have lower gas prices in the US. I do agree that we need to expand infrastructure which is part of Trump's agenda. One of Biden's day 1 agendas was to halt additional infrastructure to US oil producers.

2. There was large scale change in the ME in that the largest threat in the area was muzzled instead of pandered to by the US. This gave Muslim nations and Israel the ability to come together and put together an alliance. A strong Israel/non-radical Muslim alliance is an overall positive for the region and it showed as there were "zero" wars and conflicts rising in the area during Trumps time. Insert the Biden administration which ignored the Accords and pandered to Iran then you get what you got right now.

3. There were immigration policies put into place that were seeing results in border crossings. Once again a Day 1 agenda of Biden to end these policies and we see how that worked out.

4. The deficit did grow I will agree with that. It was already in the trillions of dollars to start with. While this grew the economy was not in an inflationary spiral, groceries were affordable, gas was affordable and home ownership was easier than it was now. Are those not net positives for Americans?

5. Covid was a problem for sure.

So I have put quite a bit together in defense of how the country and other parts of the world were better off with specific Trump policies. Can you put together any specifics on how the we will be better off with the Harris policies?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Well, the one difference is that he has actually had the job before. So it is not like we have no idea of what his policies are. It’s like if you were a manager at a company and were considering rehiring a previous employee. You wouldn’t have nearly as many questions during the interview
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There should be more questions about Kamala’s policies because her time as VP doesn’t tell us as much as Trump’s time as President?

Wasn’t @Septic getting roasted as a troll for basically saying this exact thing about a week ago?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And he has served four years. Except for Covid (which was not his fault), no one can seem to point out what was so terrible about those four years. They were easily the most prosperous and calmest four years of my life. Heaven forbid we go back to peace, prosperity, and energy independence. Oh the absolute HORROR 😉
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Calmest? What about the summer of burning cities? trumpers acted as if that was the greatest civil unrest in history.

Selective memory is awesome.
 
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