2024 Presidential Race

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Vol423 said:
If that post is true, it would appear that analytical tools have actually been employed to detect cheating. The Republicans will sue to correct the vote tallies, and the leftists will sue to leave the vote tallies as-is. We could be headed for another Bush/Gore Supreme Court showdown.
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Agreed.
 
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luthervol said:
Correct and relevant information should guide the masses as they control themselves.
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who gets to decide what is correct or relevant?

the point that you are avoiding is that the media does control the masses, and you are ok with it.

Trump's problem with the media is that they work in concert with the government to control the masses. Trump wants people to believe his lies, you want people to believe the government's lies fed thru the media. I don't want the government to control media or spread any lies.

his argument isn't misplaced, his end goal is. even with his end goal being misplaced, which I think you would agree with, the difference is I don't think his end goal is fundamentally different than what exists today and you support. neither side cares that the media lies, they only care if the lie hurts them. See all the admitted lies about Trump the media spread, not a single of those lies upsets you in the least.

if we can remove the media as the Fourth Estate, and back to an institute that actually counters the government, instead of propping it up, we would be in a better place. in that regard the media is an enemy to the people today as Trump says. I agree with your world view that Trump's idea of the media is also an enemy of the people today, but that doesn't refute the current issue that the media lies.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Vegas betting odds aggregator right now. Almost 2:1. And I read an article earlier today Vegas has been right in the last few decades 8 out of 10 times. The last time they got it wrong? 2016.

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Once again .... betting odds are neither right or wrong. They are not forecasts or predictions by oddsmakers. The purpose of betting odds is to have equal betting on both sides. Since we don't know who is placing these bets, it's hard to glean much from them. It is so ridiculous how much they are discussed on here.
 
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luthervol said:
Pretty much throughout the whole interview. He's claiming that all of the republicans who worked closely with trump and are now voicing concerns are doing so because they thought they could control him but are now upset because they couldn't.

What a load of total BS. No one believes that.....especially Vance. He is just lying.
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That would be a matter of opinion; not a verifiable fact. What is the word ä,„continuum“? I am sure that is exactly what some of them are feeling but not all. So it is not a 0% vs 100% question. So calling it a „lie“ or „total BS“ is quite disingenuous.
So do you have an actual factual „lie“ you would like to cite?
 
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McDad said:
How can the vote still count???
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it apparently cannot be identified once in the system. definitely presents a problem.

an analogy I've heard is that we all know there's an egg in a cake but once it's incorporated you cannot find the egg.

it's also the problem with fraudulent registrations - if a vote is cast on a fraudulent registration or even if one is cast using a valid registration but cast by someone other than the registrant it is in the system
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Once again .... betting odds are neither right or wrong. They are not forecasts or predictions by oddsmakers. The purpose of betting odds is to have equal betting on both sides. Since we don't know who is placing these bets, it's hard to glean much from them. It is so ridiculous how much they are discussed on here.
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they can show sentiment but do not tell you the likely outcome of the race.
 
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volinbham said:
it apparently cannot be identified once in the system. definitely presents a problem.

an analogy I've heard is that we all know there's an egg in a cake but once it's incorporated you cannot find the egg.

it's also the problem with fraudulent registrations - if a vote is cast on a fraudulent registration or even if one is cast using a valid registration but cast by someone other than the registrant it is in the system
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Oh, I understand now.
They know it was cast illegally but have no way to prove who he voted for because votes are confidential.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Once again .... betting odds are neither right or wrong. They are not forecasts or predictions by oddsmakers. The purpose of betting odds is to have equal betting on both sides. Since we don't know who is placing these bets, it's hard to glean much from them. It is so ridiculous how much they are discussed on here.
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I agree with you, but there are a bunch of online gamblers on here.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Once again .... betting odds are neither right or wrong. They are not forecasts or predictions by oddsmakers. The purpose of betting odds is to have equal betting on both sides. Since we don't know who is placing these bets, it's hard to glean much from them. It is so ridiculous how much they are discussed on here.
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They’re based to balance out the payout plain and simple. Over a large population and number of samples, and yes that many odds makers is a large sample, it’s statistically relevant. But hey if you want to tell yourself they aren’t real or relevant to help you cope go ahead. Just ignore that 8 of of 10 accuracy factoid included and you’re good
 
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OrangeTsar said:
That would be a matter of opinion; not a verifiable fact. What is the word ä,„continuum“? I am sure that is exactly what some of them are feeling but not all. So it is not a 0% vs 100% question. So calling it a „lie“ or „total BS“ is quite disingenuous.
So do you have an actual factual „lie“ you would like to cite?
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As I said previously, luther believes that anything that doesn't align with his worldview is a lie.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't know what system they use but I don't see how they could identify his ballot. I think VBs egg in a cake analogy is accurate.
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If you were smart like him or good at analogy like him or somewhat capable of teaching others like him, you could have enjoyed the sense of satisfaction he enjoyed by helping me understand.
 
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McDad said:
Oh, I understand now.
They know it was cast illegally but have no way to prove who he voted for because votes are confidential.
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yes - once in none of the identifiers of voter are connected. even if he told them who he voted for you'd have to either take his word and drop that vote or err on the side that we can't be certain he's telling the truth
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
They’re based to balance out the payout plain and simple. Over a large population and number of samples, and yes that many odds makers is a large sample, it’s statistically relevant. But hey if you want to tell yourself they aren’t real or relevant to help you cope go ahead. Just ignore that 8 of of 10 accuracy factoid included and you’re good
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I always thought it was illegal to bet on presidential elections in the US. At least illegal for casinos and sports books to take bets on them.
 
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