2024 Presidential Race

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luthervol said:
Believing BS?

How many people believe trump won in 2020?
How many people believe that if trump loses today it will be due to election fraud?
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I believe Tennessee won the 2021 Music City Bowl. The referees said otherwise. So it is possible to acknowledge the official verdict (the record books will always show a loss) while still believing you actually won. And in 30 years you will still be talking with your friends over a beer about how you really win.
That’s the way I try to explain the situation at least. I hike that helps
 
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n_huffhines said:
That was the intent of the protectionism, but if we had cheap manufacturing here, we wouldn't need tariffs to protect the industry.

Solar is just one example of how protectionism is problematic. Other things about the industry are a separate conversation.
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the domestic solar panel industry was going to see a major drop off regardless of the tariffs. Obama created a bubble for them, remember Solyndra? they were trying PRC-esque top down market manipulation to try and create a demand that wasn't there.

they assumed the initial growth they saw with artificially low costs due to government subsidies for the manufacturers, and artificially low prices to consumers due to government subsidies for the owners represented real growth in a stable market. that wasn't the case. once those subsidies went away there was always going to be a pretty sizable "correction". it really didn't help that Obama's admin never really adjusted many of the regulations that applied to the industry.

Solyndra and a lot of the domestic production took a hit long before the tariffs had a chance to make an impact. the tariffs alone didn't sink them.
 
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volinbham said:
as a crude example a Facebook friend posted a "you are garbage if you believe" list with such deep thoughts as "you want children to go to bed hungry at night".

obviously exactly 0 people (figuratively of course want that) but it's the equivalent of "you want violent immigrants to come into the country to rape your wife".

it's how we get Trump and Harris
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Yeah, 100%. The Supreme Court stuff is another good example. A lot of the media and opinion stuff around SCOTUS paints them as being corrupt when 95% of their decisions are pretty justifiable.
volfanhill said:
I don't believe that either side is evil. In fact, it pisses me off when that accusation is made. The self righteousness is gross
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I get that, it wasn’t about what you believe or how much you engage in that. Just it’s part of the effect of social media, cable news, and rhetoric.
LouderVol said:
remember the Steele Dossier? that is EXACTLY what they did. multiple reviews found it so. even CNN admits as much.


"because they originated from a retired British spy, Christopher Steele, who had a solid reputation." -there is the foreign agent.

"hey also raise serious questions about the political underpinnings of some key explosive claims about Trump by shedding new light on the involvement of some well-connected Democrats in the dossier" -Democrat involvement

"Legitimate questions are now being raised about the dossier – how it was used by Democrats as a political weapon against Trump, how it was handled by the FBI and US intelligence agencies, and how it was portrayed in the mainstream media." -more democrat involvement

"They paid for the research, funneled information to Steele’s sources, and then urged the FBI to investigate Trump’s connections to Russia." -to defeat Trump
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Do you think this should be investigated and there should be a “day of reckoning?”
 
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evillawyer said:
Oh, we're putting all your little fidos on spits, rolling doobies, and using white people as footstools while we celebrate Kamala's victory by eating your dogs while getting stoned with all our new Haitian voters.
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Dems make themselves to appear to have conservative positions just to get votes but after elected they have a radical far left agenda.

Remember, Harris was against fracking before she was for it.
 
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bamawriter said:
No matter what happens today, somebody is getting their comeuppance.

Either the Republican electorate is getting what they deserve for nominating Trump again, or the Democrats are getting what they deserve for doing everything in their power to convince the Republicans to nominate Trump again.
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And also for not telling Biden to sit this one out back in 2022.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yea but how many traditionally gameday GOP voters voted early this cycle?
How many GOP Election Day votes were cannibalized?
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JMO: comparing early turnout to 2020 may turn out to be predictive, but it seems unlikely and silly. 2020 was a doubly unique situation with COVID and Trump telling republicans that early voting by mail was fraud.

NC might be the exception where it’s obvious that a bunch of deep red counties that probably have reason to be frustrated with the current government have apparently turned out bigly.

FWIW, Nate Silver’s final forecast was Kamala 50.015%, Trump 49.085%.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I am at the point of concluding that you are not wishing to actually engage in a serious discussion on this issue.
You will find absolutely no legal precedent for any finding or serious argument that the Bible is pornographic. Young people will find more “stimulating” words in Webster’s Dictionary than in the Old Testament FWIW.
You will find however much precedent for keeping the “children’s books” being referred to here out of school libraries.
I trust you are aware of the many recent examples of parents being kicked out of school board meetings for indecency for simply READING excerpts from books that were actually in the library of their Children’s schools?
Let me repeat more clearly, an adult is not allowed to read a passage from a book to other adults in the room but that same book is acceptable to be read by elementary school children?!?!
Do you even ever LISTEN to yourselves?
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Ezekiel 23:20 is pretty dang sexual.

several instances of incest covered. Genesis 19:32-35, is probably the best known. and not just sex but women using alcohol to take advantage of their dad. I have read less salacious stuff in Hustler.

its not like any of the cases of sex in the Bible are really necessary to the theme or overarching story, no matter how they are phrased.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
JMO: comparing early turnout to 2020 may turn out to be predictive, but it seems unlikely and silly. 2020 was a doubly unique situation with COVID and Trump telling republicans that early voting by mail was fraud.

NC might be the exception where it’s obvious that a bunch of deep red counties that probably have reason to be frustrated with the current government have apparently turned out bigly.

FWIW, Nate Silver’s final forecast was Kamala 50.015%, Trump 49.085%.
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I'm feeling pretty good that Kamala is going to get PA and most of the swing states. I think she loses AZ, GA and NC. NV is all over the place, but the Puerto Rico comments hurt Trump with Latinos.
 
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LouderVol said:
Ezekiel 23:20 is pretty dang sexual.

several instances of incest covered. Genesis 19:32-35, is probably the best known. and not just sex but women using alcohol to take advantage of their dad. I have read less salacious stuff in Hustler.

its not like any of the cases of sex in the Bible are really necessary to the theme or overarching story, no matter how they are phrased.
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Song of Solomon is pretty graphic too.
 
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