2024 Presidential Race

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#61,951
Ritzwatch said:
This is true, but while you see a jump in the Republican vote, you don't see a reversion to the pre-2020 level in 2024.

The D jump in 2020 didn't shock me until I saw the precipitous drop off for the Ds in 2024. That is the part that doesn't make sense.

With all the stats coming out about the two campaigns effectiveness in reaching "low participation voters" this year, the only way to have the total vote drop off is to have had a minimum 10% voter drop off from 2020.

It seems very unlikely we would have such a steady trend upward in voting throughout recent history, to then have a + 10% jump that is immediately followed by a +10% drop the very next cycle.

I've never before said that 2020 was fraudulent. Now, I am not so sure. I'm not a statistician, but I would say the odds of these numbers happening absent some intentional manipulation is very, very low.
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The mail in voting was a carefully orchestrated effort by the dems in 2020 to use the pandemic for a purpose. The process completely destroyed earlier efforts to clean up voting by actually requiring verification of the voter. It was the best way for the dems to make sure their dead and other fake voters could rise from the ashes to vote again. The odds are that when there's no abnormal manipulation of events that trends trend and don't spike.
 
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MontyPython said:
I'd probably have a heart attack. I mean, when was the last time they actually stopped fighting in the Middle East? It's what they do, and it will go on forever.

As for Ukraine, I think we do have leverage there - Tell Ukraine and Russia the current front lines are frozen as of X date - and that on that date, Ukraine is admitted to NATO. So if Russia continues the war, they're at war with NATO (they won't).

Saudi Arabian / Yemen war. Another Jim Dandy there. Probably we threaten Yemen with all-out war if they don't stop. IDK.
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freezing the Frontline gives the RF exactly what it invaded for in the first place. not quite all of it, but more than enough to prevent Ukraine from becoming an energy powerhouse for Europe
 
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ETV said:
Eventually, I’d love for this to be discovered and brought front and center for those involved to be tarred and feathered. But at the same time, it’s 4 years ago and what do we actually gain from it other than saying “yeah, we knew it”.
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We were talking about this very thing thing this morning. No way Joe got 80+ million votes in covid year. Absolutely no way.
 
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THis 17 state National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is disturbing and will cuse violence and civil unrest in the future. By design it garuntees DEM presidencies in all but the slimmest of chances. Being that the poplular vote is almost always won by dems. Trumps victory today in both tallies hasn't happened for republicans since 1988.

Scenario - Trumps electors remain what they are (he's cleared 270) BUT Kamala had won the populace, those 17 states, with a combined 209 electors, could pull their electors and award them to Harris. That would have put her in the WH. And this seems to be a relatively unknown compact created in 2006. I just read of it today via a link in this thread. It has yet to be tested in action.

If i read the compact correctly, that is how it could have gone down under the right circumstances. On the surface it seems a legal way to perpetuate the machine and as long as a lib can secure the populace, they can keep conservatives at bay. There's probably also a lot of legal discourse to wade through if this is ever enacted.
 
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Vol737 said:
I don’t think it was that Hillary was a woman. She had a history of being very sketchy and was overall not very trustworthy (destroying cell phones, shredding files at the Rose Law Firm that she likely knew the FBI would want and having hard drives bleached).
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Regardless of all that crap. Plenty of men are elected with the same type MO and sketchy past. Slick Willy is an example. Men don't normally submit to women on decisions. Men will confront a woman regarding a decision more so than a woman will a man even though the woman may be right.
What's more, look at the voting gender gap from the 2016, 2020 and 2024. The plus up of women this year was in more support of medical decisions and the governance of a woman's decision. I use to monitor 5 VJs (4 daughters, 1 wife) in my life, they are grown now so I am down to 1. They make good decisions I don't want any govt decisions being made about their health and welfare by the government.
Back to my point, Hillary did not get elected primarily because of her background but being a woman put a nail in her coffin because we are conditioned that it is the man that leads, not a woman.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Yea, why would I want to dwell on that. What they are doing is licking their wounds. If the Democrats want to win the Presidency they will 1) never run a female again, 2) cut nuts with the liberals of their party and 3) find someone that commands respect with reality driven comments.

The Constitution needs revisions and a lot of it needs to be canned but it was written by a group of men from a man's perspective with no thought of a woman ever serving as President. As a nation we have been conditioned to believe that and I agree. No woman is capable of being President.

However, there are some that have been the leaders of their countries and have done better jobs than the the men before them. Two that come to mind are Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher, strong leaders, decisive, and ruthless. Funny part about it is they would not make past the Primaries in the US System. Why? We have been conditioned to think that way. Again, I don't think America will ever have a woman as President.

As you know, they didn't even have the right to vote when the Constitution was written and it was written from a man's perspective and opinion. The thought of a woman leading a country gets the Democrat's exactly what they got, beat.
It is not misogyny, it is just a the way that it is.
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That is a huge ideal. The extremes are too great in the democrat camp for long term survival. Yet, the far left cannot leave or they will go the way of libertarians and be insignificant in our political landscape.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There are no parties, something that dawned on me before 911. Illusion.

We're beyond repair in its current configuration. imo
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There's only been brief intervals of responsible fiscal governing in my entire lifetime from either party. Probably the best were the first 7 months during the latter part of 1963
 
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ButchPlz said:
Or maybe the support wasn't there as people want to make you believe.

When the SCOTUS ruling came down my wife and I made it a point to go check out the "protests" down outside the court. Whereas the media made it look like thousands and thousands were there, the reality was that the journalists outnumbered the protestors almost 3 to 1. It's not as big of an issue as the left wants us all to think.
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You get the feeling that often the left is the liberal media and the people they drag along by the nose. Something like the left is composed of non-thinking bots herded by their liberal media masters. Goebbels and Soviet propagandists would be shocked at how they could have slacked off if they just had the media the US left has.
 
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