2024 Presidential Race

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turbovol said:
He's said many times that he does not support Trump. Why would he: The gangster could have got him killed and tried very hard to humiliate him--his own VP--because he wouldn't go along with his election lies and BS. Let's not pretend otherwise, yea?
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How many ways do we have to explain to you that that you are incorrect that Pence is on record as saying he will not vote for Trump? Words matter. He has NOT addressed whether he will pull the lever for Trump. Saying that he doesn't support Trump is different than saying that he won't vote for him. Why aren't you getting it?
 
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turbovol said:
He's said many times that he does not support Trump. Why would he: The gangster could have got him killed and tried very hard to humiliate him--his own VP--because he wouldn't go along with his election lies and BS.
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SO fact checking is no good now? It doesn't fit your narrative so you want to cry about it?
 
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Sea Ray said:
How many ways do we have to explain to you that that you are incorrect that Pence is on record as saying he will not vote for Trump? Words matter. He has NOT addressed whether he will pull the lever for Trump. Saying that he doesn't support Trump is different than saying that he won't vote for him. Why aren't you getting it?
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Becaue the truth means nothing to him if it doesn't fit his narrative
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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I think Trump will win but both parties are bad about thinking that their "victory" is a blank check to start their radical ideas. Biden won because Trump was so unpopular and not because his radical left-wing policies were popular. The left took the Biden victory as a blank check to start their nonsense. I imagine MAGA will do the same if Trump wins instead of trying to take us in a Moderate direction and fix the real issues.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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headhunter15 said:
Boy, he’s forgetting the economy.
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Bill Maher has frequently said he thinks Biden is a capable president and thinks the economy is strong. His big concern with Biden is he doesn’t think he can win.

It seems to be a common trend in right wing media to cherry pick the one relatively conservative quote, segment, or opinion Bill Maher has each week and try to portray it as though he’s giving up on the democrats.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Bill Maher has frequently said he thinks Biden is a capable president and thinks the economy is strong. His big concern with Biden is he doesn’t think he can win.

It seems to be a common trend in right wing media to cherry pick the one relatively conservative quote, segment, or opinion Bill Maher has each week and try to portray it as though he’s giving up on the democrats.
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Maher has also commented on Biden's mental acuity. He seems to be well aware that Biden is declining cognitively
 
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Bill Maher is on the left and won't go Republican. I have seen other friends that are Democrats that are so far down that hole, you can't change them even though they are starting to see and complain about the problems with their party.

You have Republicans that are the same way, as well. Key is to be able to step back, sometimes, and dial down on your values.

My values lean heavily Republican and I call myself a conservative but I do find that the Republican party and its candidates rarely follow their own values.
 
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McDad said:
Turbo is the type to get dealt a 20 in Blackjack and ask for a hit
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Here's my advice to Turbo 'cause he needs it: In the future when making a statement, include a link that backs up what you're spouting. If you can't find such a link, maybe you shouldn't be reporting it as fact. Otherwise you end up getting embarrassed and you lose credibility.

With that in mind, it's not too late, Turbo. Post a link that specifies that Pence will not vote for Trump in November. I want to see the word "vote" in this link. "Support" is not enough. Support could mean money, campaigning for or a myriad of other things that doesn't involve a vote in November
 
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Sea Ray said:
Here's my advice to Turbo 'cause he needs it: In the future when making a statement, include a link that backs up what you're spouting. If you can't find such a link, maybe you shouldn't be reporting it as fact. Otherwise you end up getting embarrassed and you lose credibility.

With that in mind, it's not too late, Turbo. Post a link that specifies that Pence will not vote for Trump in November. I want to see the word "vote" in this link. "Support" is not enough. Support could mean money, campaigning for or a myriad of other things that doesn't involve a vote in November
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To be fair to TurboVol (who is a girl based on her post, so not a "he"), there are a lot of people who will post random nonsense without sources across the board. Also, the "sources" continue to get more problematic. Hard to expect a poster to do this when mainstream networks like MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News have been guilty of it as well.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Bill Maher is on the left and won't go Republican. I have seen other friends that are Democrats that are so far down that hole, you can't change them even though they are starting to see and complain about the problems with their party.

You have Republicans that are the same way, as well. Key is to be able to step back, sometimes, and dial down on your values.

My values lean heavily Republican and I call myself a conservative but I do find that the Republican party and its candidates rarely follow their own values.
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Republicans (and Democrats) need to re-learn the art of working together, compromise, in order to get things done. That's what Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan did. It's what Bill Clinton did with Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich. It can't be my way or the highway

Take immigration reform as an example. Republicans need to give up on deporting everyone here illegally, especially DACA kids, and in return get a sane amnesty policy where folks wait in Mexico and being poor is not an excuse for amnesty

One more example: If Trump would go to Detroit and stand outside one of the 80K dilapidated, burned houses that's likely been that way since the riots in the 1960s, and promised federal money to make a dent in cleaning that up, he would walk away with the state of Michigan in November and that would most assuredly put him over the top of 270 electoral votes.

That's how you win elections and get things done
 
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Sea Ray said:
How many ways do we have to explain to you that that you are incorrect that Pence is on record as saying he will not vote for Trump? Words matter. He has NOT addressed whether he will pull the lever for Trump. Saying that he doesn't support Trump is different than saying that he won't vote for him. Why aren't you getting it?
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I get it far more than you do, Earl. You seem to miss the significance of NOBODY in the gangster's previous administration supporting him--and 99 percent of those people will not vote for him. Whether Pence actually votes for the gangster is irrelevant--it's one vote, either way, in a dull, conservative state that the gangster will win. The IMPORTANT point--which you don't want to grasp and apparently wish to wave off, is that a once pathetically loyal vice president does not like or support the gangster anymore, said he violated the constitution, and does not support him. For a man to be running for president again when practically EVERYONE in his previous administration--people who worked with him every day--say he's not fit to hold public office ever again is completely unprecedented. Unbelievable. The Earls are expert at ignoring relevant, factual information and instead embracing the many dumb thoughts rattling around in their heads.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Bill Maher has frequently said he thinks Biden is a capable president and thinks the economy is strong. His big concern with Biden is he doesn’t think he can win.

It seems to be a common trend in right wing media to cherry pick the one relatively conservative quote, segment, or opinion Bill Maher has each week and try to portray it as though he’s giving up on the democrats.
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Bill Maher is a Big Blue Democrat. All the way.

Those claiming otherwise (and it’s coming from both sides), are on something lol.
 
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turbovol said:
I get it far more than you do, Earl. You seem to miss the significance of NOBODY in the gangster's previous administration supporting him--and 99 percent of those people will not vote for him. Whether Pence actually votes for the gangster is irrelevant--it's one vote, either way, in a dull, conservative state that the gangster will win. The IMPORTANT point--which you don't want to grasp and apparently wish to wave off, is that a once pathetically loyal vice president does not like or support the gangster anymore, said he violated the constitution, and does not support him. For a man to be running for president again when practically EVERYONE in his previous administration--people who worked with him every day--say he's not fit to hold public office ever again is completely unprecedented. Unbelievable. The Earls are expert at ignoring relevant, factual information and instead embracing the many dumb thoughts rattling around in their heads.
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The point is that you routinely post lies and half truths. Then, when shown that your post is a fabrication, you post it again a few days later. Zero integrity
 
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