2024 Presidential Race

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Sea Ray said:
Here's my advice to Turbo 'cause he needs it: In the future when making a statement, include a link that backs up what you're spouting. If you can't find such a link, maybe you shouldn't be reporting it as fact. Otherwise you end up getting embarrassed and you lose credibility.

With that in mind, it's not too late, Turbo. Post a link that specifies that Pence will not vote for Trump in November. I want to see the word "vote" in this link. "Support" is not enough. Support could mean money, campaigning for or a myriad of other things that doesn't involve a vote in November
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See my latest post, Ace. You apparently have not listened to Pence much in the last 12 months. What a surprise! Most of what I post is established
fact and has been in the news as such over time. This is the issue with MAGA---they are low-information folk.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Bill Maher has frequently said he thinks Biden is a capable president and thinks the economy is strong. His big concern with Biden is he doesn’t think he can win.

It seems to be a common trend in right wing media to cherry pick the one relatively conservative quote, segment, or opinion Bill Maher has each week and try to portray it as though he’s giving up on the democrats.
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Boomercons are so desperate for love that they get into bed with anyone that makes a remark that is slightly off the democrat platform. Maher is a perfect example of that.
 
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volfanhill said:
The point is that you routinely post lies and half truths. Then, when shown that your post is a fabrication, you post it again a few days later. Zero integrity
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I post regularly about the gangster, and 99.9 percent of what I and others post about him is true.
 
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turbovol said:
I get it far more than you do, Earl. You seem to miss the significance of NOBODY in the gangster's previous administration supporting him--and 99 percent of those people will not vote for him. Whether Pence actually votes for the gangster is irrelevant--it's one vote, either way, in a dull, conservative state that the gangster will win. The IMPORTANT point--which you don't want to grasp and apparently wish to wave off, is that a once pathetically loyal vice president does not like or support the gangster anymore, said he violated the constitution, and does not support him. For a man to be running for president again when practically EVERYONE in his previous administration--people who worked with him every day--say he's not fit to hold public office ever again is completely unprecedented. Unbelievable. The Earls are expert at ignoring relevant, factual information and instead embracing the many dumb thoughts rattling around in their heads.
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There you go again making statements that aren't backed by facts. George Papadopoulos supports him. He Tweets pro Trump stuff daily. Sarah Huckabee supports him. Kayleigh McEnany supports him. Sean Spicer supports him. Michael Flynn supports Trump. Kellyanne Conway supports him.

Why do you continually post false things here? It gets tiring correcting you on the facts
 
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turbovol said:
See my latest post, Ace. You apparently have not listened to Pence much in the last 12 months. What a surprise! Most of what I post is established
fact and has been in the news as such over time. This is the issue with MAGA---they are low-information folk.
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I asked for a link and you can't give it. You're getting pummeled and humiliated here. All I'm asking for is for you to back up your words with facts
 
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Sea Ray said:
Here's my advice to Turbo 'cause he needs it: In the future when making a statement, include a link that backs up what you're spouting. If you can't find such a link, maybe you shouldn't be reporting it as fact. Otherwise you end up getting embarrassed and you lose credibility.

With that in mind, it's not too late, Turbo. Post a link that specifies that Pence will not vote for Trump in November. I want to see the word "vote" in this link. "Support" is not enough. Support could mean money, campaigning for or a myriad of other things that doesn't involve a vote in November
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It's good advice for those of us who want to exchange ideas and opinions. Turbo's purpose here is to stir the post, troll, and generally be an agitator. He doesn't care about credibility. I don't fault him for that approach. The board is more lively when life's losers (who generally take that approach) are throwing chum into the water.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Republicans (and Democrats) need to re-learn the art of working together, compromise, in order to get things done. That's what Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan did. It's what Bill Clinton did with Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich. It can't be my way or the highway

Take immigration reform as an example. Republicans need to give up on deporting everyone here illegally, especially DACA kids, and in return get a sane amnesty policy where folks wait in Mexico and being poor is not an excuse for amnesty

One more example: If Trump would go to Detroit and stand outside one of the 80K dilapidated, burned houses that's likely been that way since the riots in the 1960s, and promised federal money to make a dent in cleaning that up, he would walk away with the state of Michigan in November and that would most assuredly put him over the top of 270 electoral votes.

That's how you win elections and get things done
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Do you ever find DC compromise brings bad results? For example, Reagan and Tip compromised on immigration and spending. Did that help America in the long run?
 
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turbovol said:
See my latest post, Ace. You apparently have not listened to Pence much in the last 12 months. What a surprise! Most of what I post is established
fact and has been in the news as such over time. This is the issue with MAGA---they are low-information folk.
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Will you please add "Sport", "Hayseed", "Redneck" to your repertoire of monikers?
 
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McDad said:
Do you ever find DC compromise brings bad results? For example, Reagan and Tip compromised on immigration and spending. Did that help America in the long run?
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Nothing's 100%. Your example above did not work out too well. IMO ever since Obamacare was crammed through in 2010 Congress has been at a stalemate. They're not solving problems like immigration, healthcare and the budget. Instead they're constantly investigating each other and using the filibuster. I think the border is a big issue and both candidates are talking about it a lot but IMO the biggest issue is rarely talked about: the deficit spending. I'd suggest something similar to what the Clinton White House did when Leon Panetta was Chief of Staff. Recommend a 1:1 spending cut to tax increase to address it. Increase taxes on the top existing bracket and create a new bracket for those making over a million/yr. That'd be politically very palatable. Slowly raise social security eligibility by a year or two. Do not cut benefits. Cut some departments like the Dept of Education
 
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hog88 said:
The Patriot act was a result of the parties working together.
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I can think of many times compromise hasn't been a friend to Americans.

I am hoping Sea Ray or others can help be see when it has been a friend.

Compromise may not be a friend in the long run. It may simply be the best approach considering the process of getting things done. It could very well be that compromise isn't inherently the problem. It could be what DC is bringing to the table for compromise is the where the real problems begin.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Nothing's 100%. Your example above did not work out too well. IMO ever since Obamacare was crammed through in 2010 Congress has been at a stalemate. They're not solving problems like immigration, healthcare and the budget. Instead they're constantly investigating each other and using the filibuster. I think the border is a big issue and both candidates are talking about it a lot but IMO the biggest issue is rarely talked about: the deficit spending. I'd suggest something similar to what the Clinton White House did when Leon Panetta was Chief of Staff. Recommend a 1:1 spending cut to tax increase to address it. Increase taxes on the top existing bracket and create a new bracket for those making over a million/yr. That'd be politically very palatable. Slowly raise social security eligibility by a year or two. Do not cut benefits. Cut some departments like the Dept of Education
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I agree about deficit spending. Don't necessarily like your details on getting resolution but it doesn't matter.

Nobody in DC is even bringing that issue to the table for an opportunity to compromise.

As I posted in my reply to hog, do you have any recent (50 yrs or so) examples of when DC compromise was good for America?
 
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McDad said:
I agree about deficit spending. Don't necessarily like your details on getting resolution but it doesn't matter.

Nobody in DC is even bringing that issue to the table for an opportunity to compromise.

As I posted in my reply to hog, do you have any recent (50 yrs or so) examples of when DC compromise was good for America?
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Absolutely. I referenced it earlier. Clinton and Gingrich worked together and they achieved a balanced budget. Reagan tax cuts were another big one
 
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McDad said:
I can think of many times compromise hasn't been a friend to Americans.

I am hoping Sea Ray or others can help be see when it has been a friend.

Compromise may not be a friend in the long run. It may simply be the best approach considering the process of getting things done. It could very well be that compromise isn't inherently the problem. It could be what DC is bringing to the table for compromise is the where the real problems begin.
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The only thing the really needs to "get done" is taking a meat cleaver to the federal government, cut that sucker down to mince meat. I think both parties are compromising and working together on that.
 
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Clinton crime bill, assault weapons ban and welfare reform Act are two other examples. Here are details on how the Assault Weapons ban included all sorts of compromises:


According to that article over half of Republicans support some kind of ban. Republicans should give them that and insist on something in return like the Keystone pipeline or money to build a wall somewhere on the southern border where it's needed most
 
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hog88 said:
The only thing the really needs to "get done" is taking a meat cleaver to the federal government, cut that sucker down to mince meat. I think both parties are compromising and working together on that.
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I disagree. Neither party wants to cut sending. Rand Paul and maybe a handful of others are serious about that and that's it
 
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Sea Ray said:
I disagree. Neither party wants to cut sending. Rand Paul and maybe a handful of others are serious about that and that's it
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Issue is that the American people don't want to cut spending. Most of it is related to Social Services or the Military. Both have strong lobbies (especially the Social Services side) and would be political suicide for any politician that pushes for it.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Clinton crime bill, assault weapons ban and welfare reform Act are two other examples. Here are details on how the Assault Weapons ban included all sorts of compromises:


According to that article over half of Republicans support some kind of ban. Republicans should give them that and insist on something in return like the Keystone pipeline or money to build a wall somewhere on the southern border where it's needed most
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Wait WHUT? Should this have been typed in blue font?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Absolutely. I referenced it earlier. Clinton and Gingrich worked together and they achieved a balanced budget. Reagan tax cuts were another big one
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Sea Ray said:
Absolutely. I referenced it earlier. Clinton and Gingrich worked together and they achieved a balanced budget. Reagan tax cuts were another big one
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Clinton and Gingrich I remember more clearly.

What was the compromise Reagan reached with Tip on tax cuts? Was it something to do with both tax and budget cuts?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Clinton crime bill, assault weapons ban and welfare reform Act are two other examples. Here are details on how the Assault Weapons ban included all sorts of compromises:


According to that article over half of Republicans support some kind of ban. Republicans should give them that and insist on something in return like the Keystone pipeline or money to build a wall somewhere on the southern border where it's needed most
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I disagree that compromise was "good" for America.

Welfare reform Act I remember but except for more working people also collecting social subsidies, I don't know if any "welfare" program has been reduced since the passage.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Issue is that the American people don't want to cut spending. Most of it is related to Social Services or the Military. Both have strong lobbies (especially the Social Services side) and would be political suicide for any politician that pushes for it.
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Some have predicted that this conundrum is the Achilles heel of our system and could lead to its downfall
 
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