2024 Presidential Race

[volbound1700]

Some have predicted that this conundrum is the Achilles heel of our system and could lead to its downfall

It is one of many. I tend to be a fan of Aristotle's view in "On Politics". Basically any form of Government can be both good or tyrannical based on the moral character of those in charge.

For the US System to work (and as quoted by John Adams), Americans would have to be a moral upstanding people that vote based on the best position/moral good rather than selfish desires. We see how that works...

IMO, all systems will eventually fail because humans tend to just get corrupt over time. USA will fail just like all super powers. No superpower lasts forever.

 

[Sea Ray]

Clinton and Gingrich I remember more clearly.

What was the compromise Reagan reached with Tip on tax cuts? Was it something to do with both tax and budget cuts?

Here you go:

Tip and the Gipper: When Politics Worked | Washington Monthly

Yes, it's more polarized now with more nutjobs in office. But the example of Reagan and O'Neill getting things done still offers lessons for today. Here's how.

washingtonmonthly.com

That's how things are supposed to work

 

[hndog609]

Some have predicted that this conundrum is the Achilles heel of our system and could lead to its downfall

Alexander Tytler is credited for some words on the matter a long time ago.

 

[McDad]

Here you go:

Tip and the Gipper: When Politics Worked | Washington Monthly

Yes, it's more polarized now with more nutjobs in office. But the example of Reagan and O'Neill getting things done still offers lessons for today. Here's how.

washingtonmonthly.com

That's how things are supposed to work

Thanks. I'll read it in a bit.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[McDad]

Here you go:

Tip and the Gipper: When Politics Worked | Washington Monthly

Yes, it's more polarized now with more nutjobs in office. But the example of Reagan and O'Neill getting things done still offers lessons for today. Here's how.

washingtonmonthly.com

That's how things are supposed to work

I will try to find some other sources. I don't trust Chris Matthews. Also, I wanted more context on the politics behind the compromise.

Appreciate you sharing though.

 

[Sea Ray]

I will try to find some other sources. I don't trust Chris Matthews. Also, I wanted more context on the politics behind the compromise.

Appreciate you sharing though.

Here's an example of the 1986 tax cut and this has been the formula for most tax cuts ever since. Republicans get what they want, tax cuts for businesses and high earners and in return the Democrats get zero tax liability for poorer folks:

It exempted millions of low-income families from a federal income tax by expanding the standard deduction, personal exemption and earned income tax credit; it drastically reduced the number of tax brackets, with the top rate for individuals cut from 50 percent to 28 percent; and it slashed corporate tax rates from 48 percent to 34 percent, paid for by eliminating or reducing corporate tax breaks.

Back to the future: Reagan, Trump and bipartisan tax reform | Brookings

With the startling, positive outreach to the congressional Democratic leadership to forge an agreement on short-term funding of the government to avert a shutdown, increasing the debt ceiling and funding Hurricane Harvey relief, followed by further efforts to enlist Democrats on immigration...

www.brookings.edu

IMO what needs to happen now is that more Americans need to have skin in the game as in more of the bottom 50% should be paying some taxes and the wealthy should be paying more. Why is that? Because right now the ones paying 24% plus 12.4% for social security are paying the same as the guy paying 37% on his $5million. That's not right

 

[McDad]

Here's an example of the 1986 tax cut and this has been the formula for most tax cuts ever since. Republicans get what they want, tax cuts for businesses and high earners and in return the Democrats get zero tax liability for poorer folks:

Back to the future: Reagan, Trump and bipartisan tax reform | Brookings

With the startling, positive outreach to the congressional Democratic leadership to forge an agreement on short-term funding of the government to avert a shutdown, increasing the debt ceiling and funding Hurricane Harvey relief, followed by further efforts to enlist Democrats on immigration...

www.brookings.edu

IMO what needs to happen now is that more Americans need to have skin in the game as in more of the bottom 50% should be paying some taxes and the wealthy should be paying more. Why is that? Because right now the ones paying 24% plus 12.4% for social security are paying the same as the guy paying 37% on his $5million. That's not right

I'm confused. Are you saying those compromises were "good" then but are now an issue because not enough have skin in the game? Or, just showing another example of how compromise worked in the past?

 

[85SugarVol]

Clinton crime bill, assault weapons ban and welfare reform Act are two other examples. Here are details on how the Assault Weapons ban included all sorts of compromises:

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750656174/the-u-s-once-had-a-ban-on-assault-weapons-why-did-it-expire

According to that article over half of Republicans support some kind of ban. Republicans should give them that and insist on something in return like the Keystone pipeline or money to build a wall somewhere on the southern border where it's needed most

You think gun rights should be ceded in exchange for a pipeline?

 

[hog88]

You think gun rights should be ceded in exchange for a pipeline?

I was hoping he forgot the blue font.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[dovervolz]

Is this stuff I'm seeing about the IRS providing $8700/$350 stimulus checks to certain families real?

Only if you entered the country illegally.

 

[kiddiedoc]

You think gun rights should be ceded in exchange for a pipeline?

That's a "nope" for me

 

[kiddiedoc]

I'm about ready to phase him out.

 

[OrangeTsar]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I'm about ready to phase him out.

He's nothing but a "puppet" POTUS.

 

[dovervolz]

See my latest post, Ace. You apparently have not listened to Pence much in the last 12 months. What a surprise! Most of what I post is established
fact and has been in the news as such over time. This is the issue with MAGA---they are low-information folk.

Post a link to prove it , or STFU about it. Everything you post is just BS lies. You dont bring anything credible to the board. You're agenda is to cry and downtalk anything maga or trump. Call other posters names behind a keyboard

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm confused. Are you saying those compromises were "good" then but are now an issue because not enough have skin in the game? Or, just showing another example of how compromise worked in the past?

I'm saying that these things need to be titrated and adjusted as time goes by. I thought it was worth trying at the time but now I think it needs another adjustment

 

[Sea Ray]

You think gun rights should be ceded in exchange for a pipeline?

I just used that as an example. I don't think "gun rights" per se should be ceded at all. The assault weapons ban under Clinton didn't disarm anyone. If Republicans wanna get liberals off their back every time there's a mass shooting, fine, give 'em a worthless ban on some assault rifles with no confiscation of existing arms, tell 'em that it won't do any good and when you're right, tell 'em you told 'em so. And in that bill, get something you want

 

[hog88]

I just used that as an example. I don't think "gun rights" per se should be ceded at all. The assault weapons ban under Clinton didn't disarm anyone. If Republicans wanna get liberals off their back every time there's a mass shooting, fine, give 'em a worthless ban on some assault rifles with no confiscation of existing arms, tell 'em that it won't do any good and when you're right, tell 'em you told 'em so. And in that bill, get something you want

But that's not the way it works with them, you know this. There are just some things that can't be compromised.

 

[creekdipper]

Ladies love outlaws
Like babies love stray dogs

 

[Sea Ray]

But that's not the way it works with them, you know this. There are just some things that can't be compromised.

We're trying to win public opinion. Assault rifles are one of the issues where Republicans are on the wrong side of public opinion. Even a slim majority of Republicans favor some assault weapon legislation. If we don't do it, Democrats will and their legislation will be far worse

 

[Majors]

LMAO .... what an old smelly douchebag for a president.

Good thing it wasn’t a khaki suit. Him and Nadler thinking ahead to not trust a fart.

 

[hog88]

We're trying to win public opinion. Assault rifles are one of the issues where Republicans are on the wrong side of public opinion. Even a slim majority of Republicans favor some assault weapon legislation. If we don't do it, Democrats will and their legislation will be far worse

And thankfully we have a constitution to protect us from the whims of the public. Why would you ever contemplate compromising an enumerated right?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

We're trying to win public opinion. Assault rifles are one of the issues where Republicans are on the wrong side of public opinion. Even a slim majority of Republicans favor some assault weapon legislation. If we don't do it, Democrats will and their legislation will be far worse

It is one of our most fundamental freedoms. Don't cave in to those fuggerz.