2024 Recruiting Thread

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The price for Velez and Rosario was to high. There was the rumor that Velez got 65000 and another 65000 if she got Rosario to join her at LSU. Don't know what Rosario was offered but I suspect they offered her much more than Velez and I'm fine with them going there. No way I'm giving Velez 65000 just save my money for the portal. I have no information but seriously doubt that Coach Harper was going to get in a bidding war for Rosario or any player.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
The price for Velez and Rosario was to high. There was the rumor that Velez got 65000 and another 65000 if she got Rosario to join her at LSU. Don't know what Rosario was offered but I suspect they offered her much more than Velez and I'm fine with them going there. No way I'm giving Velez 65000 just save my money for the portal. I have no information but seriously doubt that Coach Harper was going to get in a bidding war for Rosario or any player.
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If this is the case they are going to be in trouble. As the NCAA reiterated that is not at ALL how it is supposed to work. It’s not pay to play the law simply allows student athletes to make money of their NIL.

I don’t see how paying an unproven player with minimal to zero advertising deals that I have seen would be considered an NIL deal.

I still think NIL is subject to significant changes, even in states where it has been made law. It’s clear it’s causing problems already and turning amateur sports into pro sports which was never the intention. Nor should it be.

I still maintain that a free education is plenty enough payment for most athletes. Should stars who have a lot of ad potential be able to make money off of it? Sure. Should coaches be allowed to pay recruits in the name of NIL? No. Neither should businesses/corporations in favor of schools.

Nike had a huge scandal and lawsuit about this and now it’s suddenly just ok for brands to pay kids under the table to bring them to a school? Nah.
 
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VolBall09 said:
If this is the case they are going to be in trouble. As the NCAA reiterated that is not at ALL how it is supposed to work. It’s not pay to play the law simply allows student athletes to make money of their NIL.

I don’t see how paying an unproven player with minimal to zero advertising deals that I have seen would be considered an NIL deal.
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How is Nico worth 7 figs? Rumors don't matter, it just matters how the contract reads.
 
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VolBall09 said:
If this is the case they are going to be in trouble. As the NCAA reiterated that is not at ALL how it is supposed to work. It’s not pay to play the law simply allows student athletes to make money of their NIL.

I don’t see how paying an unproven player with minimal to zero advertising deals that I have seen would be considered an NIL deal.

I still think NIL is subject to significant changes, even in states where it has been made law. It’s clear it’s causing problems already and turning amateur sports into pro sports which was never the intention. Nor should it be.

I still maintain that a free education is plenty enough payment for most athletes. Should stars who have a lot of ad potential be able to make money off of it? Sure. Should coaches be allowed to pay recruits in the name of NIL? No. Neither should businesses/corporations in favor of schools.

Nike had a huge scandal and lawsuit about this and now it’s suddenly just ok for brands to pay kids under the table to bring them to a school? Nah.
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Don't let school boosters give NIL deals and how would you stop that? You own a business and you want a player your not looking for advertising or name recognition your just looking for a player you want on the team. Everyone is now offering NIL deals in their recruiting pitch. Barnes is doing it don't know what Kellie is doing. Mulkey had their money lined up don't know what the NCAA can do because if someone wants them as the face of their business they can offer any amount they want to.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Don't let school boosters give NIL deals and how would you stop that? You own a business and you want a player your not looking for advertising or name recognition your just looking for a player you want on the team. Everyone is now offering NIL deals in their recruiting pitch. Barnes is doing it don't know what Kellie is doing. Mulkey had their money lined up don't know what the NCAA can do because if someone wants them as the face of their business they can offer any amount they want to.
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The NCAA is going to start extending post season bans and fines. They made a statement recently about the misuse of NIL and their intention to crack down on programs not following the NCAA guidelines.

The directive came out not long after the signing of the two girls at LSU making me think someone reported them and I wouldn’t be shocked if it was UT.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
The price for Velez and Rosario was to high. There was the rumor that Velez got 65000 and another 65000 if she got Rosario to join her at LSU. Don't know what Rosario was offered but I suspect they offered her much more than Velez and I'm fine with them going there. No way I'm giving Velez 65000 just save my money for the portal. I have no information but seriously doubt that Coach Harper was going to get in a bidding war for Rosario or any player.
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$65K for a women's BB player? Total waste of money. Any bizman/booster who puts up that much money is Kra-Kra.
 
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I am sure coaches are communicating which players they want to the collectives by one means or another. It would be silly and inefficient not to. The hoop jumping the NCAA wants everyone to do just mucks things up. Coaches can't give them the offer, but can send them to the person with the offer? The coach can't communicate who they want, so the collectives have to divine who is the priority and set the salary caps with no feedback? It is all nonsense and a patently ridiculous way to go about things. Collectives are now program general managers and it is stupid they (supposedly) cannot communicate with the coaches.

The days of colleges running a glorified plantation system where people were asked to risk life and limb without being paid for it are over --- and good riddance. The schools and coaches exploited these kids and got wealthy doing it. As we just saw with the Buffalo Bills football player, they risk everything for our entertainment. They should be able to shop their services around as much as they like and get what they are worth. And if that is the case, then it only makes sense that the coaches should have a role in who gets offered what to the extent the people offering agree.

The genie is not going back in the bottle, so the NCAA needs to craft rules which make sense if they want to continue existing and not be replaced by a more reasonable entity. They are really doing a poor job of it right now.
 
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Voluble2 said:
I am sure coaches are communicating which players they want to the collectives by one means or another. It would be silly and inefficient not to. The hoop jumping the NCAA wants everyone to do just mucks things up. Coaches can't give them the offer, but can send them to the person with the offer? The coach can't communicate who they want, so the collectives have to divine who is the priority and set the salary caps with no feedback? It is all nonsense and a patently ridiculous way to go about things. Collectives are now program general managers and it is stupid they (supposedly) cannot communicate with the coaches.

The days of colleges running a glorified plantation system where people were asked to risk life and limb without being paid for it are over --- and good riddance. The schools and coaches exploited these kids and got wealthy doing it. As we just saw with the Buffalo Bills football player, they risk everything for our entertainment. They should be able to shop their services around as much as they like and get what they are worth. And if that is the case, then it only makes sense that the coaches should have a role in who gets offered what to the extent the people offering agree.

The genie is not going back in the bottle, so the NCAA needs to craft rules which make sense if they want to continue existing and not be replaced by a more reasonable entity. They are really doing a poor job of it right now.
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Ummmm last I checked an education is very expensive. Please don’t forget that these athletes are playing in exchange for an education and that’s the most important part. It’s also voluntary to play a sport. Nobody is forcing you to do it so idk where all this “plantation” talk is coming from. That is ridiculous and offensive to those who were slaves by no choice of their own.

Graduation and an Education was #1 for Pat and always will be for me. This is about more than basketball. Giving these girls a bunch of pocket change but not setting them up for a future will not turn out well. Promise.
 
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Voluble2 said:
I am sure coaches are communicating which players they want to the collectives by one means or another. It would be silly and inefficient not to. The hoop jumping the NCAA wants everyone to do just mucks things up. Coaches can't give them the offer, but can send them to the person with the offer? The coach can't communicate who they want, so the collectives have to divine who is the priority and set the salary caps with no feedback? It is all nonsense and a patently ridiculous way to go about things. Collectives are now program general managers and it is stupid they (supposedly) cannot communicate with the coaches.

The days of colleges running a glorified plantation system where people were asked to risk life and limb without being paid for it are over --- and good riddance. The schools and coaches exploited these kids and got wealthy doing it. As we just saw with the Buffalo Bills football player, they risk everything for our entertainment. They should be able to shop their services around as much as they like and get what they are worth. And if that is the case, then it only makes sense that the coaches should have a role in who gets offered what to the extent the people offering agree.

The genie is not going back in the bottle, so the NCAA needs to craft rules which make sense if they want to continue existing and not be replaced by a more reasonable entity. They are really doing a poor job of it right now.
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Don't agree the wording on the second part. The planation system is a bad choice and playing sports is a choice, any kid can choose not to go that route. I wouldn't call education paid for and a chance to start life ahead with 0 debt exactly getting a raw deal. I do agree that schools are able to use kids to get wealthy themselves and in return pay coaches astronomical amounts of money. They are shopping their services by the school they choose and the degree they pursue. Majority will never get the opportunity to play professional but 100% have a chance to graduate and get a job. For parents the burden of having to pay for school is now taken care of. It’s not up to the kid/NIL to keep the lights on or feed the family.
 
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Voluble2 said:
I am sure coaches are communicating which players they want to the collectives by one means or another. It would be silly and inefficient not to. The hoop jumping the NCAA wants everyone to do just mucks things up. Coaches can't give them the offer, but can send them to the person with the offer? The coach can't communicate who they want, so the collectives have to divine who is the priority and set the salary caps with no feedback? It is all nonsense and a patently ridiculous way to go about things. Collectives are now program general managers and it is stupid they (supposedly) cannot communicate with the coaches.

The days of colleges running a glorified plantation system where people were asked to risk life and limb without being paid for it are over --- and good riddance. The schools and coaches exploited these kids and got wealthy doing it. As we just saw with the Buffalo Bills football player, they risk everything for our entertainment. They should be able to shop their services around as much as they like and get what they are worth. And if that is the case, then it only makes sense that the coaches should have a role in who gets offered what to the extent the people offering agree.

The genie is not going back in the bottle, so the NCAA needs to craft rules which make sense if they want to continue existing and not be replaced by a more reasonable entity. They are really doing a poor job of it right now.
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So the college degree for free is not worth anything?
 
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Voltopia said:
Hmm, you mean the completely free college degree that no one is forced to play in exchange for? The one that's completely voluntary and has no penalty for backing out of?
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That's for any student.Yes,you have to make an effort. You have no point...
 
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Memvol44 said:
That's for any student.Yes,you have to make an effort. You have no point...
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Uh, I think my point was that the college degree is not only worth something - it's actually worth quite a bit - but is a completely voluntary arrangement.

I don't see how that's "not having a point," but, fair enough. Felt pointy to me. Oh well.
 
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Voltopia said:
Uh, I think my point was that the college degree is not only worth something - it's actually worth quite a bit - but is a completely voluntary arrangement.

I don't see how that's "not having a point," but, fair enough. Felt pointy to me. Oh well.
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About 125K (out of state), 0 debt, free meal plan, networking….first paycheck doesn’t have to pay of student loan.
 
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Majors said:
About 125K (out of state), 0 debt, free meal plan, networking….first paycheck doesn’t have to pay of student loan.
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Well, sure, but it's only 14-15k for in state, so I think that should be considered in the equation. It can be as low as 60 or as high a 120 - or average it to 90, or whatever. The meal plan is about 2500 (though I'm sure the athletes get some sort of special food options others don't). Even if you bump it up to 5k, that's 20k for four years. And yes, there's more services, but really, this gets into the weeds too much, and I doubt anyone who dismisses it will care regardless of the dollar value.

It has some form of value, and it's not forced upon anyone. That's all I was reacting with. I feel like that gets overlooked or "reframed" a lot in all this business.
 
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Voltopia said:
Well, sure, but it's only 14-15k for in state, so I think that should be considered in the equation. It can be as low as 60 or as high a 120 - or average it to 90, or whatever. The meal plan is about 2500 (though I'm sure the athletes get some sort of special food options others don't). Even if you bump it up to 5k, that's 20k for four years. And yes, there's more services, but really, this gets into the weeds too much, and I doubt anyone who dismisses it will care regardless of the dollar value.

It has some form of value, and it's not forced upon anyone. That's all I was reacting with. I feel like that gets overlooked or "reframed" a lot in all this business.
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Except we’re not getting in-state kids. But agree too much value in football and basketball players getting scholarship. Bigger issue for those talking NIL is fight for softball and baseball getting free rides as opposed to dividing up 11.9 scholarships.
 
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