2024 WNBA Discussion Thread

[glv98]

Not because she was hoping I had been the one to decide to do something dumb, but because she definitely didn’t want me following others and doing something that could have a negative impact on my life.

Take a drink for every time you heard "If they all jumped off a cliff would you go with them?"

Sad to say at times, in certain inebriated states, I probably would have.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Angel's is far from spontaneous, it's well planned shtick. Starts early and never stops, esp in games like yesterday where she knows there will be lots of eyes. That first prolonged stare down (which happened in lieu of hustling back downcourt) was into the camera, not at Smith. Alot of people absolutely love that, can't count how many times I've heard "that was a show!" "that was cinema!" about the game yesterday.

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Reese rarely starts it, even yesterday Smith said something 1st and Reese finished it. Just like the clip from our game whenTess said something and Reese responded but everyone was mad at Reese but nothing for Darby. At the end of the day, u can’t please everyone, so I’ll let the players play the game and trash talk or not, if anyone doesn’t like trash talking in sports, they can go watch golf or maybe swimming as well.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I don't justify questionable behavior by women just bc men do it too. Don't know about you, but the Mom I grew up with was having none of the "but everyone else does it" excuse.

There's a wide gap btw Mother Teresa, tennis and tacky, show off posing. Very good, effective 'dawg' players can find a sweet spot in the gap. See above, Hortson, Jordan.

Trash talking happens in every game, if it’s so bad for u, why do u watch?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Angel did successfully wrestle the narrative away fm CC for a change, and for that I'm grateful at least LOL. Much as Angel's antics annoy me, I've never been so tired of a single name as Caitlin Clark.

If anyone was paying attention to CC, they saw that she openly argued w her coach a couple of times late in game (clips all over twitter). Justifibly so as Sides chose to go away from her in crucial situations. A one on one play for freaking Smith on the last chance to tie? Smith predictably airballed a 5 footer.

the good thing for u is the media and sports networks don’t talk about Reese or her games unless they play Indiana. The bad news is they will still promote and talk about Clark everyday.

 

[lvocd]

Disagree that nobody cares for it. Many people absolutely love it and base their fandom on it. But many others detest it and base staying away from the game bc of it. I'll split the baby and say bc many people can't get enough of conflict reality tv, it's temporarily good for the game. But not a good permanent foundation to build it on bc it eventually gets so tiring. And needs to be ratcheted up to have the same effect.

The Baltimore excuse is so silly. This kind of behavior is everywhere from the suburbs to the executive board room to yep, Baltimore. Ironically, if we attributed other things about AR to her background or upbringing we'd be correctly called out for being prejudiced.

Can't stand the "but men do it!" comparison. Women don't have to be a bad as the worst men to be relevant. And trash behavior is a big reason alot of people don't watch the NBA.

We're really conflating 'trash talk' at all levels with what Angel does, which is trash talk on PEDs. True trash talk is often unnoticed by fans and it's always spontaneous within the context of the game. It's like you block a shot and yell "Gimme that sh*t!" into the ether, then quickly go on with the game.

Angel's is far from spontaneous, it's well planned shtick. Starts early and never stops, esp in games like yesterday where she knows there will be lots of eyes. That first prolonged stare down (which happened in lieu of hustling back downcourt) was into the camera, not at Smith. Alot of people absolutely love that, can't count how many times I've heard "that was a show!" "that was cinema!" about the game yesterday.

But like any show, just as many people are going to find it annoying and contrived. And here we are the next day talking about it. It's truly a "talk about me good or talk about me bad, just talk about me" kind of thing that Angel specializes in. Then in a few days her feelings will be hurt bc people talk bad about her.

Angel and others wrap themselves in the misperception that you have to act like this to be a "dawg". Jordan Horston begs to differ. She has become a truly effective dawg for her team and barely opens her mouth, at least that the audience can see. Her most frequent shows of emotion are in celebration with her teammates. In the longrun, that's the kind of dawg I like, but that's just me.

Great post.

 

[lvocd]

There's no justification, no matter what Angel says or does, for the kind of racial hate she gets in return.

I'm not even sure AR has 'bad character' off the court. I just think the wrestling villian role she embraces on court is misguided and yes, very immature.

In 30-40 yrs, I'll bet AR will be like John McEnroe, saying I can't believe I actually acted like that.

Agreed.

 

[glv98]

the good thing for u is the media and sports networks don’t talk about Reese or her games unless they play Indiana

Flat out untrue. Laughable. CC gets by far more coverage but AR gets plenty every day.

Who actually gets no coverage are Napheesa Collier and Kahleagh Copper. Aja Wilson and Breanna Stewart only get it occasionally. Angel gets 50x the pub any of them get. Which is why you kind of see the top vets being a bit pissy. They sure are enjoying those charters though.

 

[glv98]

Trash talking happens in every game, if it’s so bad for u, why do u watch?

As has been pointed out many times above and elsewhere, what AR does, esp in big games with lots of eyes, is way above routine tt and into theatre. Why do you work so hard to deny and defend it? She does what she does and wears it as a badge of honor. I'm not sure how you can be her fan and not embrace the act.

 

[Majors]

Reese rarely starts it, even yesterday Smith said something 1st and Reese finished it. Just like the clip from our game whenTess said something and Reese responded but everyone was mad at Reese but nothing for Darby. At the end of the day, u can’t please everyone, so I’ll let the players play the game and trash talk or not, if anyone doesn’t like trash talking in sports, they can go watch golf or maybe swimming as well.

Define rarely by your standards

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Define rarely by your standards

Just like if she blocks a shots and yells something, but mostly every player does that, even our beloved LadyVols. But after that the player may talk trash is they make a basket and the trash talking begins, it can start from something small and keep going, but I don’t have an issue with it.

 

[glv98]

Just like if she blocks a shots and yells something, but mostly every player does that, even our beloved LadyVols. But after that the player may talk trash is they make a basket and the trash talking begins, it can start from something small and keep going, but I don’t have an issue with it.

Ya'll just had different Moms from mine. At my house "but she started it" went about as far as "but everyone's doing it".

AR is itching to get into it and you know it. It's what her fans love. Nothing wrong with having that opinion. Just own it.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

This is true leadership, even though u say all her teammates hate her.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Ya'll just had different Moms from mine. At my house "but she started it" went about as far as "but everyone's doing it".

AR is itching to get into it and you know it. It's what her fans love. Nothing wrong with having that opinion. Just own it.

This isn’t a fight its sports, none of the players are complaining about it. Reese and Smith have no issues as shown in this clip.

 

[Terrells Bay88]

Flat out untrue. Laughable. CC gets by far more coverage but AR gets plenty every day.

Who actually gets no coverage are Napheesa Collier and Kahleagh Copper. Aja Wilson and Breanna Stewart only get it occasionally. Angel gets 50x the pub any of them get. Which is why you kind of see the top vets being a bit pissy. They sure are enjoying those charters though.

To be fair, the Liberty had charter planes for their players last season but the WNBA fined them for it.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Flat out untrue. Laughable. CC gets by far more coverage but AR gets plenty every day.

Who actually gets no coverage are Napheesa Collier and Kahleagh Copper. Aja Wilson and Breanna Stewart only get it occasionally. Angel gets 50x the pub any of them get. Which is why you kind of see the top vets being a bit pissy. They sure are enjoying those charters though.

The only time u see some of them talk about Reese is to bash her, she gets no coverage or promotion of any of her games unless it’s against Indiana and those are facts.

 

[glv98]

This isn’t a fight its sports, none of the players are complaining about it. Reese and Smith have no issues as shown in this clip.

It's a side show, which I understand some players, and many fans, think is an important part of their game. Others feel the opposite, which is why it's polorizing. All are entitled.

The only time u see some of them talk about Reese is to bash her, she gets no coverage or promotion of any of her games unless it’s against Indiana and those are facts.

We'll have to agree to disagree. This dwells deeply on planet Post Truth, but you'll never see it that way.

 

[glv98]

Just like AR, CC's face card tells no lies, ever. If Sides is the Fever's coach next year I'll be very surprised.

 

[Majors]

The only time u see some of them talk about Reese is to bash her, she gets no coverage or promotion of any of her games unless it’s against Indiana and those are facts.

Amazing, I’m old enough to remember 3 days ago when numerous outlets were talking about being the first rookie breaking the double-double record of 7 straight. Saying facts, doesn’t make it a fact.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

It's a side show, which I understand some players, and many fans, think is an important part of their game. Others feel the opposite, which is why it's polorizing. All are entitled.

We'll have to agree to disagree. This dwells deeply on planet Post Truth, but you'll never see it that way.

The problem is it happens in every game, are u going to complain every time a player talks trash during a game? Even players on our LadyVols have done it.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Amazing, I’m old enough to remember 3 days ago when numerous outlets were talking about being the first rookie breaking the double-double record of 7 straight. Saying facts, doesn’t make it a fact.

Blip on a screen, is not the same as promotion and nonstop coverage.

 

[Majors]

Blip on a screen, is not the same as promotion and nonstop coverage.

So now we pick and choose coverage and how long. Just need to know the non-victim rules for promotion.

 

[ShortyMac10]

The problem is it happens in every game, are u going to complain every time a player talks trash during a game? Even players on our LadyVols have done it.

There was even an article out that the team said kea talks the most trash…I don’t mind trash talking it’s part of the game

 

[DarkPhoenix]

So now we pick and choose coverage and how long. Just need to know the non-victim rules for promotion.

They’ve been consistent ever since Reese beat her for a Championship, the next year up until now they’ve given the promotion and no stop coverage to Clark instead of the one that had a historic season along with a historic NCAA tournament with Moat Outstanding Player honors. But thats just how things work and I doubt it ever changes. I’ll be looking forward to seeing in 3 years who they promote over Juju.

 

[Majors]

They’ve been consistent ever since Reese beat her for a Championship, the next year up until now they’ve given the promotion and no stop coverage to Clark instead of the one that had a historic season along with a historic NCAA tournament with Moat Outstanding Player honors. But thats just how things work and I doubt it ever changes. I’ll be looking forward to seeing in 3 years who they promote over Juju.

You do understand you’re promoting a nice player on a 6-9 team. CC was the #1 pick and regardless of how you view it was a national college draw that’s translating over to WNBA. AR as well as she’s playing is a dime a dozen player, she doesn’t offer anything that hasn’t been there before.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

You do understand you’re promoting a nice player on a 6-9 team. CC was the #1 pick and regardless of how you view it was a national college draw that’s translating over to WNBA. AR as well as she’s playing is a dime a dozen player, she doesn’t offer anything that hasn’t been there before.

Plenty of players can shoot 3’s. It’s only 3 pts no matter how far u shoot them, so that’s a dime a dozen. But u can’t find players that win at every level and big time competitors no matter the situation. Boston was the number one pick last year and she wasn’t given nonstop coverage.