Pearl discussion (split)

[hUTch2002]

Did you all just hear Pearl? That was funny. On live TV he just said his guards aren’t pussies.

 

[JMSqb11]

Did you all just hear Pearl? That was funny. On live TV he just said his guards aren’t pussies.

Love that guy.

 

[hUTch2002]

Love that guy.

I do too. I love Barnes too. You know, it’s ok to appreciate both.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I do too. I love Barnes too. You know, it’s ok to appreciate both.

I always give them both credit for UT basketball being what it is today. If Barnes was to win a Natty he would owe Pearl a little bit of gratitude.
If Barnes isn't able to get it done, the next coach that comes in and gets it done is going to owe both Barnes and Pearl a ton of gratitude for building a culture of winning here at UT in respect to Basketball.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I always give them both credit for UT basketball being what it is today. If Barnes was to win a Natty he would owe Pearl a little bit of gratitude.
If Barnes isn't able to get it done, the next coach that comes in and gets it done is going to owe both Barnes and Pearl a ton of gratitude for building a culture of winning here at UT in respect to Basketball.

You forgetting the 4 year gap of Martin & Donnie that separates Pearl & Barnes?

Rick doesn’t owe Bruce anything. He didn’t inherit anything. Now us fans, we have to be grateful for Pearl he showed the admin & big money donors “if you build it, they will come” and then Hart was allowed to go get Barnes.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You forgetting the 4 year gap of Martin & Donnie that separates Pearl & Barnes?

Rick doesn’t owe Bruce anything. He didn’t inherit anything. Now us fans, we have to be grateful for Pearl he showed the admin & big money donors “if you build it, they will come” and then Hart was allowed to go get Barnes.

Without Pearl and those winning seasons we may not even end up with Barnes.
He made/showed the job here was worth taking.
He gave Barnes a nice landing spot after Texas.
Pearl built that. He also built a culture of winning that lasted despite a few seasons of bad coaching. That says a lot about what Pearl did for us.
There is no need to not give him credit for that.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

I always give them both credit for UT basketball being what it is today. If Barnes was to win a Natty he would owe Pearl a little bit of gratitude.
If Barnes isn't able to get it done, the next coach that comes in and gets it done is going to owe both Barnes and Pearl a ton of gratitude for building a culture of winning here at UT in respect to Basketball.

Foolish statement.

Barnes doesn’t owe Pearl anything.

The fact there’s people still believe Pearl was mistreated by Tennessee due to his careless actions is absolutely mind boggling.

It anything, he helped create the mess.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Foolish statement.

Barnes doesn’t owe Pearl anything.

The fact there’s people still believe Pearl was mistreated by Tennessee due to his careless actions is absolutely mind boggling.

It anything, he helped create the mess.

You can pretend Pearl did nothing for this program all you want. It's not reality, tho.
Pearl built/laid the foundation for the house Barnes has created on top of it.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Without Pearl and those winning seasons we may not even end up with Barnes.
He made/showed the job here was worth taking.
He gave Barnes a nice landing spot after Texas.
Pearl built that. He also built a culture of winning that lasted despite a few seasons of bad coaching. That says a lot about what Pearl did for us.
There is no need to not give him credit for that.

And without Donnie getting fired with cause we may not end up with Barnes.

Does Bruce Pearl owe Jerry Green some gratitude?

 

[JMSqb11]

Foolish statement.

Barnes doesn’t owe Pearl anything.

The fact there’s people still believe Pearl was mistreated by Tennessee due to his careless actions is absolutely mind boggling.

It anything, he helped create the mess.

Hamilton’s comments and statements all season long vs his comments and statement the night before our first round game vs Michigan were a complete 180 and basically tanked the team’s tourney chances resulting in the blowout….. let’s not all act like Hamilton handled the 2010 season professionally.

 

[tev.sm]

You can pretend Pearl did nothing for this program all you want. It's not reality, tho.
Pearl built/laid the foundation for the house Barnes has created on top of it.

I’d believe this if there wasn’t two coaches in between Pearl and CRB that didn’t meet expectations.

People forget that in Barnes first two seasons (2015-16, 2016-17), he went 15-19 and 16-16 with a roster of 3-star recruits from Tyndall’s lone season.

I give CRB all the credit to go from 16-16 to 25-9 in the 2017-18 season with roughly the same roster.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Like I said, fanbase absolutely should be thankful for Pearl and what he did here, but Rick inherited a ground up rebuild & was given time to do just that.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I’d believe this if there wasn’t two coaches in between Pearl and CRB that didn’t meet expectations.

People forget that in Barnes first two seasons (2015-16, 2016-17), he went 15-19 and 16-16 with a roster of 3-star recruits from Tyndall’s lone season.

I give CRB all the credit to go from 16-16 to 25-9 in the 2017-18 season with roughly the same roster.

Just because there was a couple of bad coaches in a short span between Pearl and Barnes doesn’t negate what I said or what Pearl accomplished.

Barnes could retire this year, and we could whiff on the next coach and have 3 years or so of bad basketball. Let's say we nail the next hire after that , and he ends up taking us to and getting us a Natty.
Are you saying that this new coach would have absolutely no reason to thank Barnes for what he has done for the program since he arrived?
Of course not. That would be dumb.

Hopefully, this helps you see how silly it is trying to discount Pearl helping make Tennessee men's basketball into what it is today.
Thanks to him and Barnes, we are no longer just a football and baseball school for men.

 

[EZE]

You can pretend Pearl did nothing for this program all you want. It's not reality, tho.
Pearl built/laid the foundation for the house Barnes has created on top of it.

Maybe go back to Jerry Green then?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Maybe go back to Jerry Green then?

You could give him some credit if you wanted to I guess. You going to have a much tougher argument, tho.
Coach Cal and Pope could give credit to Rupp if they wanted to.
Even so, you guys are acting like it wasn't Pearl that put Tennessee men's basketball back on the map (or even on the map in the modern era).
It's silly.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Like I said, fanbase absolutely should be thankful for Pearl and what he did here, but Rick inherited a ground up rebuild & was given time to do just that.

And like I said,

Without Pearl and those winning seasons we may not even end up with Barnes.He made/showed the job here was worth taking. He gave Barnes a nice landing spot after Texas. Pearl built that. He also built a culture of winning that lasted despite a few seasons of bad coaching. That says a lot about what Pearl did for us.There is no need to not give him credit for that.

Nothing anyone has said refutes this.

 

[tev.sm]

Just because there was a couple of bad coaches in a short span between Pearl and Barnes doesn’t negate what I said or what Pearl accomplished.

Barnes could retire this year, and we could whiff on the next coach and have 3 years or so of bad basketball. Let's say we nail the next hire after that , and he ends up taking us to and getting us a Natty.
Are you saying that this new coach would have absolutely no reason to thank Barnes for what he has done for the program since he arrived?
Of course not. That would be dumb.

Hopefully, this helps you see how silly it is trying to discount Pearl helping make Tennessee men's basketball into what it is today.
Thanks to him and Barnes, we are no longer just a football and baseball school for men.

If I understand correctly, by your logic, Rick Barnes should’ve had taken us to the National Championship with the roster of 3-star recruits he inherited from Tyndall because of Bruce Pearl. Makes sense to me.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

If I understand correctly, by your logic, Rick Barnes should’ve had taken us to the National Championship with the roster of 3-star recruits he inherited from Tyndall because of Bruce Pearl. Makes sense to me.

You keep missing the point, and I think at this point it is intentional. ( Pearl hate?)

Without Pearl having those winning seasons the job at Tennessee is not going to be desirable enough for Barnes to even want.
We couldn't get a head coach worth a flip before Pearl. Certainly not a big name head coach. Like another poster said, he showed "if you build it they will come".
Besides that, he showed there was an appetite for winning men's basketball here as much as there was for football.
He also proved to other big name coaches you could be successful here.
I'm telling you, without those winning seasons by from Pearl, Barnes doesn’t come here and have a nice spot to set up shop after Texas ran him off.

 

[tev.sm]

You keep missing the point, and I think at this point it is intentional. ( Pearl hate?)

Without Pearl having those winning seasons the job at Tennessee is not going to be desirable enough for Barnes to even want.
We couldn't get a head coach worth a flip before Pearl. Certainly not a big name head coach. Like another poster said, he showed "if you build it they will come".
Besides that, he showed there was an appetite for winning men's basketball here as much as there was for football.
He also proved to other big name coaches you could be successful here.
I'm telling you, without those winning seasons by from Pearl, Barnes doesn’t come here and have a nice spot to set up shop after Texas ran him off.

We can agree to disagree. Don’t have much else to add that hasn’t already been said.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

You keep missing the point, and I think at this point it is intentional. ( Pearl hate?)

Without Pearl having those winning seasons the job at Tennessee is not going to be desirable enough for Barnes to even want.
We couldn't get a head coach worth a flip before Pearl. Certainly not a big name head coach. Like another poster said, he showed "if you build it they will come".
Besides that, he showed there was an appetite for winning men's basketball here as much as there was for football.
He also proved to other big name coaches you could be successful here.
I'm telling you, without those winning seasons by from Pearl, Barnes doesn’t come here and have a nice spot to set up shop after Texas ran him off.

He caused a lot of damage, lied to investigators, lied to the administration, violated substance abuse policy rules, and left us reeling. It took a very long time to get our feet under us. Hiring Rick was a happy accident that benefited from some crazy timing. We were not an attractive program after Tyndall. Barnes has succeeded everywhere he’s been. He built this program based on his integrity and the integrity of his players. He’s the opposite of Pearl. He cleaned up the wreckage Pearl left. He doesn’t need to thank him. I don’t dislike Pearl, but I sure don’t pine for him. He still attracts players I don’t want and culture I don’t want. No one is missing your point. You’re relentless, but you’re wrong, again.

 

[amaralfan1]

He caused a lot of damage, lied to investigators, lied to the administration, violated substance abuse policy rules, and left us reeling. It took a very long time to get our feet under us. Hiring Rick was a happy accident that benefited from some crazy timing. We were not an attractive program after Tyndall. Barnes has succeeded everywhere he’s been. He built this program based on his integrity and the integrity of his players. He’s the opposite of Pearl. He cleaned up the wreckage Pearl left. He doesn’t need to thank him. I don’t dislike Pearl, but I sure don’t pine for him. He still attracts players I don’t want and culture I don’t want. No one is missing your point. You’re relentless, but you’re wrong, again.

There were only four years between Pearl being fired and Barnes being hired. What is this about violating substance abuse policy rules?

 

[EasternVol]

Without Pearl and those winning seasons we may not even end up with Barnes.
He made/showed the job here was worth taking.
He gave Barnes a nice landing spot after Texas.
Pearl built that. He also built a culture of winning that lasted despite a few seasons of bad coaching. That says a lot about what Pearl did for us.
There is no need to not give him credit for that.

If we look at it that way we need to credit Mears, Devoe and Green too. Barnes himself is responsible for our current success.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

We can agree to disagree. Don’t have much else to add that hasn’t already been said.

Fair enough. Too much good basketball to watch to argue over something so silly.

I will say one last thing if I could...

I have actually already heard coach Rick Barnes say he is thankful for what Pearl accomplished here at Tennessee.
When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe in 1989 Barnes met with Dickey about the job here.
Two of Barnes close friends (reporters John Feinstein and Dave Gavitt ) told Barnes not to take the job at Tennessee because people in Tennessee don't care about men's basketball.
Barnes listened to them and passed on the job.

Barnes said in a more recent r interview:

" That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the beat football program in the country"

You see, I don't really have to doubt Barnes most likely doesn't take the job if not for Pearl because he already had pased on it once.
What changed? Ask yourself that.....

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

He caused a lot of damage, lied to investigators, lied to the administration, violated substance abuse policy rules, and left us reeling. It took a very long time to get our feet under us. Hiring Rick was a happy accident that benefited from some crazy timing. We were not an attractive program after Tyndall. Barnes has succeeded everywhere he’s been. He built this program based on his integrity and the integrity of his players. He’s the opposite of Pearl. He cleaned up the wreckage Pearl left. He doesn’t need to thank him. I don’t dislike Pearl, but I sure don’t pine for him. He still attracts players I don’t want and culture I don’t want. No one is missing your point. You’re relentless, but you’re wrong, again.

He has already expressed gratitude to Pearl, bud.
It's a little too late now. lol

 

[volfan102455]

I wish folks would stop with the Pearl talk compared to Barnes! I for one am thankful Pearl had to move on.

The program is better under Barnes in so many ways.