Pearl discussion (split)

[EZE]

We were trying to move on so I will keep this short. Barnes doesn’t even end up here if not for Pearl. Like I said, he passed on us originally because we were a " football school".
This is what HE said. Pearl was the catalyst to us no longer being just a " football school".

But anyways....let's just agree to disagree.
People are getting pissed. This is a SEC Tournament thread .

So much unsupported speculation in this that there’s no reason to even respond.

Pearl is gone. He is not coming back.

Barnes has elevated this program. I’m glad we have him.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

So much unsupported speculation in this that there’s no reason to even respond.

Pearl is gone. He is not coming back.

Barnes has elevated this program. I’m glad we have him.

Who said I wanted Pearl back?
Again, some of you have absolutely horrendous reading comprehension.
You're literally letting your emotions cloud your brain or something.

I haven't one time mentioned anything about comparing Barnes and Pearl, nor have I mentioned anything about wanting Pearl to come back to Tennessee.

Incidentally, I gave a quote on what Barnes said when he passed on Tennessee the first time he was offered the job. So what I said is not
"unsupported speculation".

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I always give them both credit for UT basketball being what it is today. If Barnes was to win a Natty he would owe Pearl a little bit of gratitude.
If Barnes isn't able to get it done, the next coach that comes in and gets it done is going to owe both Barnes and Pearl a ton of gratitude for building a culture of winning here at UT in respect to Basketball.

He doesn't owe him anything. Pearl hasn't been coach in almost 15 years. And he had a 4 year gap before he even took over. Just like Pearl doesn't owe Jerry Green anything even though by your own logic he should.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You could give him some credit if you wanted to I guess. You going to have a much tougher argument, tho.
Coach Cal and Pope could give credit to Rupp if they wanted to.
Even so, you guys are acting like it wasn't Pearl that put Tennessee men's basketball back on the map (or even on the map in the modern era).
It's silly.

No it's not unless you are purposely being inconsistent. Why wouldn't Green get credit from Pearl if you're saying Barnes owes Pearl some credit?

Green went to the NCAAT every season he was here. He won at Rupp for the first time in forever. He won a shared SEC Championship. He made the Sweet 16. He upped the talent here. He put us in the national spotlight. The reason you don't want to compare him to Pearl is Green was a wet noodle of a coach who wasn't flashy, didn't do the PR stuff Pearl did, and generally didn't seem like a very likeable guy. But if you're going on results and being consistent then if you're saying Barnes owes Pearl credit then 100% Pearl owes Green credit.

But I think neither owes anyone anything because they both had to rebuild what the previous one had built up.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

He doesn't owe him anything. Pearl hasn't been coach in almost 15 years. And he had a 4 year gap before he even took over. Just like Pearl doesn't owe Jerry Green anything even though by your own logic he should.

He would in the simple fact Barnes doesn’t even make it to Tennessee if Bruce doesn't change the fact we were just a football school.
Like I have said multiple times, us being just a football school is why Barnes didn't take the job here when first offered. This is per Rick Barnes.
If Pearl doesn't create a culture of winning at Tennessee over several seasons, and prove there is a place for a top coach to be successful at Tennessee, then Barnes doesn’t come here.
Barnes has already said he is greatful for what Pearl did here at Tennessee. I don't know why some of you guys have such a problem with this?

Barnes and Pearl are friends. Bruce actually called him recently to thank/congratulate him for beating Alabama. It's ok to be thankful for what Pearl did for Tennessee and be grateful and proud of what Barnes has accomplished.

When the next coach comes in and has success it's going to be ok for him to have appreciation for what both Barnes and Pearl did for the University of Tennessee men's basketball, too.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Fair enough. Too much good basketball to watch to argue over something so silly.

I will say one last thing if I could...

I have actually already heard coach Rick Barnes say he is thankful for what Pearl accomplished here at Tennessee.
When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe in 1989 Barnes met with Dickey about the job here.
Two of Barnes close friends (reporters John Feinstein and Dave Gavitt ) told Barnes not to take the job at Tennessee because people in Tennessee don't care about men's basketball.
Barnes listened to them and passed on the job.

Barnes said in a more recent r interview:

" That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the beat football program in the country"

You see, I don't really have to doubt Barnes most likely doesn't take the job if not for Pearl because he already had pased on it once.
What changed? Ask yourself that.....

Barnes offering gratitude isnt' the same as he OWES him some, like you said.

The second part of your post you seem to be interjecting your opinion into a topic that from quotes I don't see any mention of Pearl. You're inferring from what Barnes said about the job in 1989 meant that what Pearl did here made him take it in 2015 unless you can provide a quote and not your opinon.

SEC basketball in general was a completely different league than the SEC in 1989. His quote was "where the league was".

Why does Barnes owe Pearl and not Martin? Martin took the team to the S16 and was very close to an EE 2 years before Barnes took the job.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Barnes offering gratitude isnt' the same as he OWES him some, like you said.

The second part of your post you seem to be interjecting your opinion into a topic that from quotes I don't see any mention of Pearl. You're inferring from what Barnes said about the job in 1989 meant that what Pearl did here made him take it in 2015 unless you can provide a quote and not your opinon.

SEC basketball in general was a completely different league than the SEC in 1989. His quote was "where the league was".

Why does Barnes owe Pearl and not Martin? Martin took the team to the S16 and was very close to an EE 2 years before Barnes took the job.

Pearl was one of the first coaches that started putting not just Tennessee basketball but SEC basketball back on the Map. If you can't even acknowledge that I doubt you're going to be honest enough to have a conversation about this with.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

He would in the simple fact Barnes doesn’t even make it to Tennessee if Bruce doesn't change the fact we were just a football school.
Like I have said multiple times, us being just a football school is why Barnes didn't take the job here when first offered. This is per Rick Barnes.
If Pearl doesn't create a culture of winning at Tennessee over several seasons, and prove there is a place for a top coach to be successful at Tennessee, then Barnes doesn’t come here.
Barnes has already said he is greatful for what Pearl did here at Tennessee. I don't know why you guys have such a problem with this.

Barnes and Pearl are friends. Bruce actually called him recently to thank/congratulate him for beating Alabama. It's ok to be thankful for what Pearl did for Tennessee and be grateful and proud of what Barnes has accomplished.

When the next coach comes in and has success it's going to be ok for him to have appreciation for what both Barnes and Pearl did for the University of Tennessee men's basketball, too.

Now you're moving the goalposts, and that' what everyone has a problem with.

This started from YOU saying he "owed" Pearl gratitude. Barnes choosing to do so isn't the same as owing. Not sure why that is hard for you to understand.

Second you are saying he owes Pearl but downplaying Pearl owing Green when you literally can make the exact same arguments. But seems like you're downplaying that because Pearl was a showman, Green was not. I already listed what Green did but you seem to not want to acknowledge them.

Third, you just said Barnes was approached to coach here in 1989.....that is when he was first offered and he said by his own words the SEC itself was football first. He then took the job in 2015. Do I need to explain to you why comparing something he said about the job in 1989 and in 2015 are apples and oranges. Because SEC basketball in 2015 was much much much different than 1989.

This isn't about Pearl and Barnes being friends, nobody said they weren't. Nobody said Barnes didn't appreciate what Pearl did here, Pearl has praised what Barnes has done here. This is about what YOU said. So own it.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Now you're moving the goalposts, and that' what everyone has a problem with.

This started from YOU saying he "owed" Pearl gratitude. Barnes choosing to do so isn't the same as owing. Not sure why that is hard for you to understand.

Second you are saying he owes Pearl but downplaying Pearl owing Green when you literally can make the exact same arguments. But seems like you're downplaying that because Pearl was a showman, Green was not. I already listed what Green did but you seem to not want to acknowledge them.

Third, you just said Barnes was approached to coach here in 1989.....that is when he was first offered and he said by his own words the SEC itself was football first. He then took the job in 2015. Do I need to explain to you why comparing something he said about the job in 1989 and in 2015 are apples and oranges. Because SEC basketball in 2015 was much much much different than 1989.

This isn't about Pearl and Barnes being friends, nobody said they weren't. Nobody said Barnes didn't appreciate what Pearl did here, Pearl has praised what Barnes has done here. This is about what YOU said. So own it.

Why were they different in 1989 and 2015?
Could it be because of coaches like Bruce Pearl having success at SEC programs?
I also said I am fine with giving Green credit if you ( meaning anyone) wanted to.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Pearl was one of the first coaches that started putting not just Tennessee basketball but SEC basketball on the Map. If you can't even acknowledge that I doubt you're going to be honest enough to have a conversation about this with.

Dude, you made a stupid claim, got dragged for it and now you're changing the argument to something nobody has said or is saying. Nobody is saying Pearl didn't raise the standard here.

For the last damn time, it's YOU saying Barnes owes him gratitude. If you keep acting like that is the same thing as talking about what Pearl accomplished in general then just take the L and stop moving the goalposts around.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Dude, you made a stupid claim, got dragged for it and now you're changing the argument to something nobody has said or is saying. Nobody is saying Pearl didn't raise the standard here.

For the last damn time, it's YOU saying Barnes owes him gratitude. If you keep acting like that is the same thing as talking about what Pearl accomplished in general then just take the L and stop moving the goalposts around.

WTH you talking about?
The reason I said Pearl would owe him gratitude is for "raising the standards" of Tennessee and SEC. smh
Moreover, it's most definitely a part of why we end up getting Rick Barnes.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Pearl was one of the first coaches that started putting not just Tennessee basketball but SEC basketball back on the Map. If you can't even acknowledge that I doubt you're going to be honest enough to have a conversation about this with.

Oh now it's one of the first coaches, I thought HE was the coach that did.

You mean like....Jerry Green? The guy who went to 4 straight NCAAT, won an SEC Championship, first UT coach to win at Rupp in forever, made the S16...do I need to list them a 3rd time?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

WTH you talking about?
The reason I said Pearl would owe him gratitude is for "raising the standards" of Tennessee and SEC. smh
Moreover, it's most definitely a part of why we end up getting Rick Barnes.

You said "building a culture of winning" And then you pooh poohed Pearl owing Green gratitude for it even though by your own logic Green did the exact same thing.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Oh now it's one of the first coaches, I thought HE was the coach that did.

You mean like....Jerry Green? The guy who went to 4 straight NCAAT, won an SEC Championship, first UT coach to win at Rupp in forever, made the S16...do I need to list them a 3rd time?

I said "one of" in respect to your comment about the league. IMO, Pearl is the first coach to really put Tennessee on the map.

And for the 3rd time now, if you, Pearl, Barnes, or any f'ing body wanted to give a bit of thanks to Jerry Green I wouldn't have a bit of problem with it.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You said "building a culture of winning" And then you pooh poohed Pearl owing Green gratitude for it even though by your own logic Green did the exact same thing.

That never happened.
Go back and read and comprehend. I know it can be hard for some.

 

[DowntownVol]

Pearl was one of the first coaches that started putting not just Tennessee basketball but SEC basketball back on the Map. If you can't even acknowledge that I doubt you're going to be honest enough to have a conversation about this with.

dude, seriously, why are you like this?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

dude, seriously, why are you like this?

Like what? Someone that wants to have an honest conversation and not be strawmanned to death?
IDK, I'm just like that.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

That never happened.
Go back and read and comprehend. I know it can be hard for some.

You could give him some credit if you wanted to I guess. You going to have a much tougher argument, tho.
Coach Cal and Pope could give credit to Rupp if they wanted to.
Even so, you guys are acting like it wasn't Pearl that put Tennessee men's basketball back on the map (or even on the map in the modern era).
It's silly.

Call me a liar again. Your own words "You going to have a much tougher argument tho";

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Like what? Someone that wants to have an honest conversation and not be strawmanned to death?
IDK, I'm just like that.

The only one making strawmen is you. You started saying everyone is downplaying what Pearl did here and you're just straight up pulling that out of your ass.

Literally everyone is going after you for you saying Barnes OWED Pearl gratitude. Get that through your thick skull.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Bruce sure would love all the attention he’s getting on a TN board 15 years after he was fired for his stupidity and lying.

BTW, Mears put TN basketball on the map. Not Bruce Pearl.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Call me a liar again. Your own words "You going to have a much tougher argument tho";

I never called you a liar. Dishonest is more appropriate if I was to label you. Like you dishonesty leaving out the part right before what you just posted.

You could give him some credit if you wanted to I guess. You going to have a much tougher argument, tho.Coach Cal and Pope could give credit to Rupp if they wanted to.Even so, you guys are acting like it wasn't Pearl that put Tennessee men's basketball back on the map (or even on the map in the modern era).It's silly.

I literally said YOU COULD GIVE HIM CREDIT I GUESS! Meaning I wouldn't have a problem with it.
The reason I said it would be much tougher to argue is because Green coached in the late 90's and IMO didn't necessarily put Tennessee on the map like Pearl did. I have ALSO said in subsequent posts I have no problem in regards to giving Greene credit.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

The only one making strawmen is you. You started saying everyone is downplaying what Pearl did here and you're just straight up pulling that out of your ass.

Literally everyone is going after you for you saying Barnes OWED Pearl gratitude. Get that through your thick skull.

Downplaying what Pearl did here in respect to Barnes. Again, comprehension is hard for some.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I never called you a liar. Dishonest is more appropriate if I was to label you. Like you dishonesty leaving out the part right before what you just posted.


I literally said YOU COULD GIVE HIM CREDIT I GUESS! Meaning I wouldn't have a problem with it.
The reason I said it would be much tougher to argue is because Green coached in the late 90's and IMO didn't necessarily put Tennessee on the map like Pearl did. I have ALSO said in subsequent posts I have no problem in regards to giving Greene credit.

Do you know what pooh poohing something is? Apparently not.

Spoiler: I said you pooh poohed Pearl giving Green credit, and to anyone with a brain that's literally what you did. Anyone who reads people telling you that by your own logic Pearl owes Green gratitude that you are quite dismissive of the idea just because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Bye bye now .

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Downplaying what Pearl did here in respect to Barnes. Again, comprehension is hard for some.

Nobody did. Not one person downplayed it. They are downplaying the stupid thing you said.

So you're either too stubborn to take the L. Or you're just stupid. You pick.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Bruce sure would love all the attention he’s getting on a TN board 15 years after he was fired for his stupidity and lying.

BTW, Mears put TN basketball on the map. Not Bruce Pearl.

But Barnes owes him gratitude for the rebuilding job he had to do after the mess he left!