Pearl discussion (split)

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

If we look at it that way we need to credit Mears, Devoe and Green too. Barnes himself is responsible for our current success.

Current success. As in this season.
Not for the success we've had as a program in the last two decades.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I wish folks would stop with the Pearl talk compared to Barnes! I for one am thankful Pearl had to move on.

The program is better under Barnes in so many ways.

Nobody has even been necessarily comparing the two.
Your reading comprehension skills need a bit of a sharpening.

 

[EasternVol]

You can pretend Pearl did nothing for this program all you want. It's not reality, tho.
Pearl built/laid the foundation for the house Barnes has created on top of it.

He had the foundation laid, but then he took a backhoe and ripped it up on his way out.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

He had the foundation laid, but then he took a backhoe and ripped it up on his way out.

Nah....we most definitely benefited from having Pearl as a coach here. Ultimately, it was a net positive for us.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

If we look at it that way we need to credit Mears, Devoe and Green too. Barnes himself is responsible for our current success.

Green actually had to build from nothing too, Wade & O’Neill had 1 over 500 season in their combined 8 years here and were both sub 38% in SEC play.

Green won a SEC regular season title & made a Sweet Sixteen in his 4 years and is ahead of Pearl in winning % at UT too.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

If we look at it that way we need to credit Mears, Devoe and Green too. Barnes himself is responsible for our current success.

No, no, no…what Pearl did 10 years before Barnes was hired is what propelled him to success don’t ya know? Never mind that Cuonzo and Tyndall made a mess of things before Barnes showed up and had to build things up from literally the ground up.

 

[hUTch2002]

Foolish statement.

Barnes doesn’t owe Pearl anything.

The fact there’s people still believe Pearl was mistreated by Tennessee due to his careless actions is absolutely mind boggling.

It anything, he helped create the mess.

Maybe he said it somewhere else another time but I didn't see anything from antisunshine about Pearl being mistreated. I agree Pearl landed himself in trouble but I still appreciate what he did here.

 

[hUTch2002]

And without Donnie getting fired with cause we may not end up with Barnes.

Does Bruce Pearl owe Jerry Green some gratitude?

I owe Green some. I had a blast going to the game as a student while he was coaching.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I owe Green some. I had a blast going to the game as a student while he was coaching.

That was the era that made me a fan. Vincent Yarbrough, Ron Slay, CJ Black, & Isiah Victor were fun to watch

 

[omghulkhands]

That was the era that made me a fan. Vincent Yarbrough, Ron Slay, CJ Black, & Isiah Victor were fun to watch

Shocked you left off Tony

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Shocked you left off Tony

Or Higgins, I was a fan of the dunks lol

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

There were only four years between Pearl being fired and Barnes being hired. What is this about violating substance abuse policy rules?

Pearl lied about drug test results before the investigation and then again with Williams after. I don’t know what the four years comment is about. I said it took us a long time to get our feet under us. It did. Barnes had rough seasons at the beginning. It was not easy to recruit here then. He had to start from scratch.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Shocked you left off Tony

He was easy to not like, but Tony Harris was a baller.

 

[omghulkhands]

He was easy to not like, but Tony Harris was a baller.

Never saw a shot he didn’t like. Cocky. But a tough SOB

 

[Col_Cathcart]

I think it’s important to take a moment during our current success to reflect on how thankful we should all be for Cuonzo Martin who instilled hard nosed defense as a principle of Tennessee basketball.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Never saw a shot he didn’t like. Cocky. But a tough SOB

Definitely the kind of guy you hate if you’re playing against him, but you wanted that dude in your fox hole.

 

[EasternVol]

Current success. As in this season.
Not for the success we've had as a program in the last two decades.

Current success as in the last several years, the most successful era ever in UT basketball, which is the topic.

 

[Lukusw]

No, no, no…what Pearl did 10 years before Barnes was hired is what propelled him to success don’t ya know? Never mind that Cuonzo and Tyndall made a mess of things before Barnes showed up and had to build things up from literally the ground up.

Personally, I credit Robert C. Whitaker (1908-1910). This program was nothing before him.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Current success as in the last several years, the most successful era ever in UT basketball, which is the topic.

No it isn't, that's not the topic. I know because I started this discussion in regard.

 

[OrangeVolMan]

Current success as in the last several years, the most successful era ever in UT basketball, which is the topic.

I’d like to credit Tony Vitello for the basketball success. Don’t kniw why but thought I would add it to this stupid conversation.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

No, no, no…what Pearl did 10 years before Barnes was hired is what propelled him to success don’t ya know? Never mind that Cuonzo and Tyndall made a mess of things before Barnes showed up and had to build things up from literally the ground up.

Nice strawman.
All I said is he would owe him a bit of gratitude. That's all I said.
Some of you are like children with your strawmen. I never said whatever Barnes accomplishes at Tennessee ( this season or career) is solely because of Pearl.
I said he owes him a bit of a thanks for putting the program on the map, and everything that comes with that.

I evidenced this with the fact that Barnes had already turned the job down once for being too much of a " football school".
The success Pearl had paved the way for him to later take the job here and eventually and indirectly have success.
The comprehension in this thread has been awe-inspiring to say the least.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Maybe he said it somewhere else another time but I didn't see anything from antisunshine about Pearl being mistreated. I agree Pearl landed himself in trouble but I still appreciate what he did here.

I didn't say anything remotely close to that.
I've been getting strawmaned to death.
If they actually read what I wrote I don't think they would have much of a problem.
I think some people just immediately get triggered when they see Pearl and Barnes is the same sentence. They are both great coaches.

There's a nice article/video in the News Sentinel on how they both deserve to be on the Mt Rushmore of coaches that haven't won a championship.

 

[SKV84]

My God...I can't stand the people that still suck on Pearl's teet.

 

[EZE]

Just because there was a couple of bad coaches in a short span between Pearl and Barnes doesn’t negate what I said or what Pearl accomplished.

Barnes could retire this year, and we could whiff on the next coach and have 3 years or so of bad basketball. Let's say we nail the next hire after that , and he ends up taking us to and getting us a Natty.
Are you saying that this new coach would have absolutely no reason to thank Barnes for what he has done for the program since he arrived?
Of course not. That would be dumb.

Hopefully, this helps you see how silly it is trying to discount Pearl helping make Tennessee men's basketball into what it is today.
Thanks to him and Barnes, we are no longer just a football and baseball school for men.

If Barnes stupidly got us NCAA penalties…followed by the following coaches doing the same or worse? No. I wouldn’t give Pearl any credit because he destroyed what good he had done. It would be a rebuilding project.

And that’s exactly what Pearl and Tyndall did here. Barnes was faced with a dumpster fire when he arrived. He absolutely gets credit for not just rebuilding it. But taking it to consistent greatness over a lengthy period.

Same as Caldwell. As much as we all loved Coach Summitt, her two successors let the Lady Vols fall into despair. If Caldwell rebuilds back into a power? Caldwell will absolutely gets credit the credit. Not Pat.

And I haven’t heard of Bear Bryant getting credit for Saban’s dynasty, either. Or Vince Dooley getting credit for Kirby’s.

The mental gymnasiums some of you go through to elevate former Vol coaches is mind boggling.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

If Barnes stupidly got us NCAA penalties…followed by the following coaches doing the same or worse? No. I wouldn’t give Pearl any credit because he destroyed what good he had done. It would be a rebuilding project.

And that’s exactly what Pearl and Tyndall did here. Barnes was faced with a dumpster fire when he arrived. He absolutely gets credit for not just rebuilding it. But taking it to consistent greatness over a lengthy period.

Same as Caldwell. As much as we all loved Coach Summitt, her two successors let the Lady Vols fall into despair. If Caldwell rebuilds back into a power? Caldwell will absolutely gets credit the credit. Not Pat.

And I haven’t heard of Bear Bryant getting credit for Saban’s dynasty, either. Or Vince Dooley getting credit for Kirby’s.

The mental gymnasiums some of you go through to elevate former Vol coaches is mind boggling.

We were trying to move on so I will keep this short. Barnes doesn’t even end up here if not for Pearl. Like I said, he passed on us originally because we were a " football school".
This is what HE said. Pearl was the catalyst to us no longer being just a " football school".

But anyways....let's just agree to disagree.
People are getting pissed. This is a SEC Tournament thread .