2025 Seed Watch Party Thread

#451
#451
ABtheVolsfan92 said:
The SEC tournament has always mattered. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being silly. It didn't matter a few years ago because we beat a crappy A&M team in the title game.
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Just not true. That crappy A&M team had a better resume than 3 of the schools who made it in. It didn't matter when we won the conference tournament, went 2-1 against UK, had the better resume. UK was a 2, and we were a 3. Facts don't support your theory.
 
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#453
#453
Stoerner Fumbles said:
Exactly this. They’ve always held the “contingency” story as a back pocket way to hold spots depending on outcomes. I’ve never seen it actually happen though. On air last week, he said the committee will in effect use the tournament as a playoff for the last one seed. Increases the drama, and gives us a glimmer of hope.
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I’m here for it and not only the 1 but also increases our chances at the Top 2 which would mean closer location and Houston instead of Duke
 
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VolGee4 said:
Just not true. That crappy A&M team had a better resume than 3 of the schools who made it in. It didn't matter when we won the conference tournament, went 2-1 against UK, had the better resume. UK was a 2, and we were a 3. Facts don't support your theory.
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I'm retired, so I took the liberty of looking up the metrics of the last four in that year compared to A&M.

A&M
NET 36, KenPom 33, SOR 57, RPI 58, SOS 67
Quad 1: 5-11
Quad 2: 6-0
Quad 3: 6-2
Quad 4: 9-0

Wyoming
NET 58, KenPom 65, SOR 53, RPI 33, SOS 89
Quad 1: 1-6
Quad 2: 9-1
Quad 3: 4-2
Quad 4: 10-0

Indiana
NET 44, KenPom 48, SOR 58, RPI 68, SOS 58
Quad 1: 5-10
Quad 2: 4-3
Quad 3: 5-1
Quad 4: 7-0

Notre Dame
NET 43, KenPom 38, SOR 35, RPI 53, SOS 90
Quad 1: 4-9
Quad 2: 4-1
Quad 3: 9-1
Quad 4: 6-0

Rutgers
NET 80, KenPom 77, SOR 50, RPI 102, SOS 37
Quad 1: 7-7
Quad 2: 2-4
Quad 3: 4-2
Quad 4: 5-1

Rutgers had 7 Quad One wins and an SOS in the 30's, so that tells you how much weight those two carry with the committee.

Wyoming had a 33 RPI.

Notre Dame had a better SOR and one less Q3 loss.

The only thing Indiana had was one Q3 loss versus 2 for A&M.

Seems to me A&M got the shaft, but what's most glaring are the inconsistencies with many of these numbers. I think the Selection Committee generally does a good job each year, but this is one where the comparison doesn't make much sense.
 
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ABtheVolsfan92 said:
The SEC tournament has always mattered. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being silly. It didn't matter a few years ago because we beat a crappy A&M team in the title game.
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You’re stating an opinion just like anyone else! There’s no concrete answer to accurately know if this tourney truly matters or not!

We have seen with our own two eyes when the tourney has helped and when it haven’t made any difference!!
 
#458
#458
VolCalls said:
I'm retired, so I took the liberty of looking up the metrics of the last four in that year compared to A&M.

A&M
NET 36, KenPom 33, SOR 57, RPI 58, SOS 67
Quad 1: 5-11
Quad 2: 6-0
Quad 3: 6-2
Quad 4: 9-0

Wyoming
NET 58, KenPom 65, SOR 53, RPI 33, SOS 89
Quad 1: 1-6
Quad 2: 9-1
Quad 3: 4-2
Quad 4: 10-0

Indiana
NET 44, KenPom 48, SOR 58, RPI 68, SOS 58
Quad 1: 5-10
Quad 2: 4-3
Quad 3: 5-1
Quad 4: 7-0

Notre Dame
NET 43, KenPom 38, SOR 35, RPI 53, SOS 90
Quad 1: 4-9
Quad 2: 4-1
Quad 3: 9-1
Quad 4: 6-0

Rutgers
NET 80, KenPom 77, SOR 50, RPI 102, SOS 37
Quad 1: 7-7
Quad 2: 2-4
Quad 3: 4-2
Quad 4: 5-1

Rutgers had 7 Quad One wins and an SOS in the 30's, so that tells you how much weight those two carry with the committee.

Wyoming had a 33 RPI.

Notre Dame had a better SOR and one less Q3 loss.

The only thing Indiana had was one Q3 loss versus 2 for A&M.

Seems to me A&M got the shaft, but what's most glaring are the inconsistencies with many of these numbers. I think the Selection Committee generally does a good job each year, but this is one where the comparison doesn't make much sense.
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Yes. Rutgers also lost in the first round of the Big Ten tournament while A&M went to the championship game. Rutgers also lost 4 of their last 6 (although I know they don't use last 10 anymore).

Notre Dame lost in the second round of the ACC tournament by 42 points to UNC.

Wyoming lost in the second round of the Mountain West tournament and 5 of their last 9.

I think Indiana went to their tournament finals but had lost 8 of 12.

A&M had a terrible run in the middle of the conference season but had won 7 straight until losing to us in the finals.

So, their tournament run did not matter to the committee.
 
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#459
VolGee4 said:
Yes. Rutgers also lost in the first round of the Big Ten tournament while A&M went to the championship game. Rutgers also lost 4 of their last 6 (although I know they don't use last 10 anymore).

Notre Dame lost in the second round of the ACC tournament by 42 points to UNC.

Wyoming lost in the second round of the Mountain West tournament and 5 of their last 9.

I think Indiana went to their tournament finals but had lost 8 of 12.

A&M had a terrible run in the middle of the conference season but had won 7 straight until losing to us in the finals.

So, their tournament run did not matter to the committee.
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Good stuff. I forgot A&M didn’t make it after their late season run.
 
#460
#460
I looked something up for fun.

In 2006, LSU was the sec champion with a 14-2 conference record and was a 4 seed.

Tennessee was 12-4 in the league and a 2 seed.

Florida was the sec tournament champion and finished in a 3 way tie for 3rd at 10-6 in the league and was a 3 seed.

So, LSU finished 4 games higher than Florida during the season and was seeded lower
 
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#462
bleedingTNorange said:
I’m here for it and not only the 1 but also increases our chances at the Top 2 which would mean closer location and Houston instead of Duke
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glad to know that since I was basically skewered by many of you for absurdly
mentioning the results of SECT could affect our seeding. This year is very different
from years past because of the closeness of several teams vieing for 1 seed.
 
#463
#463
99gator said:
I looked something up for fun.

In 2006, LSU was the sec champion with a 14-2 conference record and was a 4 seed.

Tennessee was 12-4 in the league and a 2 seed.

Florida was the sec tournament champion and finished in a 3 way tie for 3rd at 10-6 in the league and was a 3 seed.

So, LSU finished 4 games higher than Florida during the season and was seeded lower
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Was that the year we were ranked 1 after the Memphis game?
 
#472
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99gator said:
I looked something up for fun.

In 2006, LSU was the sec champion with a 14-2 conference record and was a 4 seed.

Tennessee was 12-4 in the league and a 2 seed.

Florida was the sec tournament champion and finished in a 3 way tie for 3rd at 10-6 in the league and was a 3 seed.

So, LSU finished 4 games higher than Florida during the season and was seeded lower
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Well, they got it right, because your boys won it all. This is a subtle brag, isn't it ?
 
#474
#474
Interesting Lunardi bracketology hedging:

1. He has Auburn as the SEC automatic qualifier.

2. He has Tennessee as a 2 seed

3. He says FL, Bama, TN will duke it out in the SECT for the fourth 1 seed.

4. He has picked Tennessee to win the SECT. If this happens, 1 can't happens and 2 wont happen.
 
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#475
The Dog said:
Well, they got it right, because your boys won it all. This is a subtle brag, isn't it ?
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I looked that year up because I remembered that Florida’s conference record wasn’t that strong that year but they got a 3 seed. I was trying to pick a year where maybe winning the tourney mattered.

Having looked it up, I was amazed that LSU won the league with a 14-2 conference record and was only a 4 seed.

When I saw that, I thought I’d share it.

Florida also beat LSU in the SEC tournament that year, maybe that got Florida a higher seed over LSU. I don’t know
 
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