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DaddyChad said:
I like Tulsi but her past gun control policies might not work for a lot of people in the base. Noem would be good with Vance IMO; not sure that dog would hunt either though.
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She's openly walked back a lot of the gun talk. I can totally see where 2A defenders would be reticent and would need to hear more on the matter and have why she changed her mind laid out more openly and on the record.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I think the D party does indeed NEED to go back to the center; I just don’t know who has the clout to make that happen. The party is scared to death of its fringe. No one dares to tell the Hamas wing, the LGBTQ/Trans lobby, the squad, or Antifa “no”.
Probably the biggest single reason for Kamala’s loss was her inability to pick Shapiro as her VP candidate due to the rabbis antisemites in Michigan. She tried to please both the Jewish and anti Jewish wings of her party but ended up loosing both. I do Not see that wide chasm in the Party going away anytime soon.
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You are speculating as to her reason for not picking Shapiro based on your desire to paint the Dem party as pro-Arab in the ongoing dispute. I don't blame you, but who knows what all went into that decision. And at any rate I do hope Trump does not put us too far into the Israeli baggage just to go after Iran. Talk about the tail wagging the dog.
 
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hndog609 said:
While what you posit here makes sense just dropping some possible names the party landscape is more problematic. The R's in general, meaning lots of them that don't necessarily think Trump is all that great, can nevertheless pretty much ride along regarding lots of policy and what makes up the majority of their media sphere doesn't have to jump through too many hoops to stay on message.

The D's on the other hand have a lot more people really ideologically captured. Mind you I'm not saying there aren't crazy types on both sides, there absolutely are, but no small part of the D's crazy types are loud and right out front. For the Dems to bring their message more back to the middle they're going to have to drag a bunch of people who want nothing to do with the "middle" with them and that includes a lot of people that have been carrying their water.
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Yes, the party apparatus will have to negotiate with all of those interests and tell them to cool their jets. They also need to tell potential future candidates you can't proudly defend using tax payer dollars to pay for gender reassignment for an inmate and not expect that to come back to haunt you.

If you did it because its the law, say you did not want to but had no choice and support changing the law. But be careful what you tie yourself to.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, the party apparatus will have to negotiate with all of those interests and tell them to cool their jets. They also need to tell potential future candidates you can't proudly defend using tax payer dollars to pay for gender reassignment for an inmate and not expect that to come back to haunt you.

If you did it because its the law, say you did not want to but had no choice and support changing the law. But be careful what you tie yourself to.
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Yep, I think that's the sort of thing that would have to happen. The problem I was setting forth is when you have true idealogues, and I think we both know that's what is being discussed here, I'm not at all sure those dogs will come to heel. I mean...there's infighting about not being far enough Left.
 
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gcbvol said:
He was successful there. And he's done an okay job in the cabinet. A lot of the issues attributed to him were not even in his scope. Now, he put himself in position for blowback by being in the public eye so much, but he's not the gigantic failure some make him out to be. He's among the good ones.
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His entire executive experience is being mayor of a mid-sized college town and Sec of Trans in a failed administration. Not much of a record and he won't have the advantage Obama had.
 
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hndog609 said:
She's openly walked back a lot of the gun talk. I can totally see where 2A defenders would be reticent and would need to hear more on the matter and have why she changed her mind laid out more openly and on the record.
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I’ve always liked her even when she was on the other side. She very intelligent, well spoken, and quick witted. I just think it would be hard for some to move past those views even if she’s changed. Funny thing is if the Dems had Gabbard/Shapiro in this years election I think they win.
 
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hog88 said:
His entire executive experience is being mayor of a mid-sized college town and Sec of Trans in a failed administration. Not much of a record and he won't have the advantage Obama had.
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All that and he's still one of the best options out there on either side. He's way better than the two candidates we just had to choose.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are speculating as to her reason for not picking Shapiro based on your desire to paint the Dem party as pro-Arab in the ongoing dispute. I don't blame you, but who knows what all went into that decision. And at any rate I do hope Trump does not put us too far into the Israeli baggage just to go after Iran. Talk about the tail wagging the dog.
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All I expect Trump to do is not get in Israel‘s way like Biden tried to do. Israel can take care of business just fine if we let them.

In terms of a „desire to paint the Dem party as pro-Arab“; I sincerely hope you are not denying the existence of a strong pro-Arab and Anti-Israeli component in the democrat party. They are not a majority but they are very loud. And I do think they were the primary deciding factor in the choice of Walz over Shapiro
 
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OrangeTsar said:
All I expect Trump to do is not get in Israel‘s way like Biden tried to do. Israel can take care of business just fine if we let them.

In terms of a „desire to paint the Dem party as pro-Arab“; I sincerely hope you are not denying the existence of a strong pro-Arab and Anti-Israeli component in the democrat party. They are not a majority but they are very loud. And I do think they were the primary deciding factor in the choice of Walz over Shapiro
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Well now hang on a sec.

All over this forum I see countless messages about no need to be involved with Ukraine, no need to spend the money. When you say we are going to "stay out of Israel's way," does that mean we completely stay out of the fray there altogether? Send Israel weapons (as we do with Ukraine)? Or what, exactly?

The problem is, if we just walk away and tell the parties they are on their own, we can't complain when a nuke goes off over there, or oil is suddenly $200 a barrel.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Let's not think about this for a month
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I'm glad the election is behind us, but now its time to see what actually gets delivered. As I have said elsewhere, I am skeptical of Trump and the GOP achieving real debt reduction, real solutions to immigration, etc.

I would be happy to be wrong and would give credit where credit is due.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well now hang on a sec.

All over this forum I see countless messages about no need to be involved with Ukraine, no need to spend the money. When you say we are going to "stay out of Israel's way," does that mean we completely stay out of the fray there altogether? Send Israel weapons (as we do with Ukraine)? Or what, exactly?

The problem is, if we just walk away and tell the parties they are on their own, we can't complain when a nuke goes off over there, or oil is suddenly $200 a barrel.
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I don’t mean to send them unlimited sums of money or free munitions.
I do mean to let them purchase whatever they wish Without us putting conditions on how or when they use it.
I mean precisely what I say. Simply get out of their way.
Israel is quite capable of preventing Iran from acquiring nukes. Especially if the US stops allowing Iran to fund their weapons program with either clandestine oil sales or even direct payments a la Obamas literal pallets of shrink wrapped cash
 
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