'22 SC SF Julian Phillips (Tennessee commit)

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Personally, I do not see the drama ... he looks like a kid (and family) doing what they did not do effectively the first time around ... look around and check everything to ensure I am making a better thought out decision.

17/18 year old 'kids' decision making ability is erratic, perhaps emotional or unpredictable is a better word choice. [He picked LSU ... in spite of the information that was available. But I was not surprised either. WW was a very good salesman - and I use that word VERY loosely.]
More important is the relationship they have with their parents ... are they willing to follow their lead or are they their own 'man.' JP according to his words values family.
JP, according to his words, appears to be looking at ... how he fits the system that is in place, playing immediately (one and done mentality), and at the bottom trust in the staff and your relationship with them.
The situation with LSU, left a bad taste in his mouth. The coaches who go after him will need more than a sales pitch.

Rick showed him the cards in his hand and played the right card on ... you need it in writing. And he can point to KC, TJ, and KD and LA and he has the NBA connections. The big question is going to be system and fit. We have history with him.

TN is in as good a position as TN can be. The lot is cast into the lap .... so we will see ... just need to be patient for a little while longer. I am reminded ... it is a virtue, apparently, is short supply these days.

My guesses:
I suspect he chooses college over Ignite - a family decision.
I give TN the edge over AUB, but only because of family and we showed him the paperwork. (Does not mean I am limiting the field to SEC schools.)
I see WW and BP as very similar sales approaches. With BP more experienced, but not as good with parents. Which hurts the 'trust' factor, but helps with the 'system' factor.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Phillips circle is shopping, as @Vols8086 said they’re looking at neutral site games now too, at some point Tennessee is going to pull themselves out of the running if “he” doesn’t make a decision. They gone to the NIL table, gave assurances, now neutral site…at some point you gotta make a move.
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Yep. We have some options available now, but the clock is ticking everywhere. They might not be as talented as this kid, but they might be better options for our program. I see Phillips and Barnes as oil and water.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Phillips circle is shopping, as @Vols8086 said they’re looking at neutral site games now too, at some point Tennessee is going to pull themselves out of the running if “he” doesn’t make a decision. They gone to the NIL table, gave assurances, now neutral site…at some point you gotta make a move.
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Wait, he wants the entire team to play a neutral site game in his home state as part of his package? Would he get a cut of ticket sales or what?
 
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CAVPUT said:
Yep. We have some options available now, but the clock is ticking everywhere. They might not be as talented as this kid, but they might be better options for our program. I see Phillips and Barnes as oil and water.
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I can assure you this is not the case, but to each his own. My take is ... Rick has a very strict profile ... he does not intentionally recruit players who will make the locker room divisive. By all accounts, JP really does appear to be a very fine young man.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Phillips circle is shopping, as @Vols8086 said they’re looking at neutral site games now too, at some point Tennessee is going to pull themselves out of the running if “he” doesn’t make a decision. They gone to the NIL table, gave assurances, now neutral site…at some point you gotta make a move.
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I would assume if he still hasn’t made a decision by next week after the KSU visit, then Rick is going to move on. I’m not sure what else you realistically would need to see after that. He needs to just make a decision.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Phillips circle is shopping, as @Vols8086 said they’re looking at neutral site games now too, at some point Tennessee is going to pull themselves out of the running if “he” doesn’t make a decision. They gone to the NIL table, gave assurances, now neutral site…at some point you gotta make a move.
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While we might be firm in what we will or won’t do, I don’t think we’ll “move on” from a top fifteen player we’ve been recruiting for two cycles. What’s another week or two of suffering? The handler jackasses on his side want to hold a “charity event” neutral site game in NC/SC. That’s not charity, and it’s not happening.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
While we might be firm in what we will or won’t do, I don’t think we’ll “move on” from a top fifteen player we’ve been recruiting for two cycles. What’s another week or two of suffering? The handler jackasses on his side want to hold a “charity event” neutral site game in NC/SC. That’s not charity, and it’s not happening.
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Good. I never understood the neutral site game request from them until now. It felt like an odd stipulation, and now it’s a bit clearer why they made the request. Seeking additional opportunities to profit off this kid.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
While we might be firm in what we will or won’t do, I don’t think we’ll “move on” from a top fifteen player we’ve been recruiting for two cycles. What’s another week or two of suffering? The handler jackasses on his side want to hold a “charity event” neutral site game in NC/SC. That’s not charity, and it’s not happening.
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And now we come full circle...this is the very reason why Barnes said what he did. Barnes is fine with players making money, but this kind of stuff is not good for your program.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
While we might be firm in what we will or won’t do, I don’t think we’ll “move on” from a top fifteen player we’ve been recruiting for two cycles. What’s another week or two of suffering? The handler jackasses on his side want to hold a “charity event” neutral site game in NC/SC. That’s not charity, and it’s not happening.
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I just mean move on in the sense that it seems the requests just keep coming and changing, maybe that’s just me, but at some point I’d be over it. And yea, they originally wanted it in Nebraska, like GTFO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I just mean move on in the sense that it seems the requests just keep coming and changing, maybe that’s just me, but at some point I’d be over it. And yea, they originally wanted it in Nebraska, like GTFO.
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This is how I would feel, it seems it’s always something new with this recruitment and maybe that’s just the people around him. At some point though, I would have to say the discussion is over and the offer is on the table, but nothing more is being added to it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
And now we come full circle...this is the very reason why Barnes said what he did. Barnes is fine with players making money, but this kind of stuff is not good for your program.
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What's so wrong with dictating to a P5 basketball program what games they're going to play, where they're going to play them, and pocketing a portion of the proceeds (my assumption)? lol, good grief...
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He wouldn’t
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A single player getting a cut of ticket sales is a ridiculous notion, obviously, but if not that, then what is the motivation behind such a request? I'm trying to understand it. Is is just so that his family can easily see him play? And does he not realize how difficult an ask it is to facilitate such a request?
 
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wtmvol said:
What's so wrong with dictating to a P5 basketball program what games they're going to play, where they're going to play them, and pocketing a portion of the proceeds (my assumption)? lol, good grief...
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I'm going with blue font here.
 
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cncchris33 said:
A single player getting a cut of ticket sales is a ridiculous notion, obviously, but if not that, then what is the motivation behind such a request? I'm trying to understand it. Is is just so that his family can easily see him play? And does he not realize how difficult an ask it is to facilitate such a request?
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HS level handlers put on “charity events” that give about 10% to a charity, and happen to pay them a massive management fee. The NCAA would never allow this, but it’s not stopping these idiots from trying. It benefits Phillips 0, but I assume they’re selling the parents that they’ll get paid. It’s a non-starter.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I would assume if he still hasn’t made a decision by next week after the KSU visit, then Rick is going to move on. I’m not sure what else you realistically would need to see after that. He needs to just make a decision.
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Is his visit to KSU over the weekend? If so, I guess I can just skip this thread until then.
 
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All these requests, is Jullian Phillips as good as Jabari Smith? I have only seen highlights, but is he projected to be a lottery pick in next year's NBA draft? There's no way any coach can meet those requests. Bruce Pearl would be crazy to try cator to any of Phillips' camp ridiculous requests with Auburn currently on probation. I can't see Barnes stooping to this level to sign a recruit.
 
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cncchris33 said:
A single player getting a cut of ticket sales is a ridiculous notion, obviously, but if not that, then what is the motivation behind such a request? I'm trying to understand it. Is is just so that his family can easily see him play? And does he not realize how difficult an ask it is to facilitate such a request?
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It doesn’t benefit Phillips at all, and has nothing to do with family seeing him play.

@TheMookieMonster & @VolGee4 pretty much nail it if you were wondering
 
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