'22 SC SF Julian Phillips (Tennessee commit)

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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Whether they took money or not (some definitely did) doesn’t change my position. They had to trust him to sign. LSU isn’t the only school that was paying. More did than didn’t.
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They have to "trust" him with what exactly? That they would actually get paid what they were promised?

A majority of these 1 and dones are there for one thing and one thing only: to do whatever they can to get drafted as high as possible. That's it. You're trying to romanticize a process that is really just a business decision for the bulk of these kids.
 
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Will Wade only had 3 draft picks since 2017 @ LSU. Only one being a one & done player. The other 2 were upperclassmen who were barely drafted.

Phillips signed with LSU because of the $. Have a hard time believing this time around is any different.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
Will Wade only had 3 draft picks since 2017 @ LSU. Only one being a one & done player. The other 2 were upperclassmen who were barely drafted.

Phillips signed with LSU because of the $. Have a hard time believing this time around is any different.
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Sure.
 
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Vols8086 said:
They have to "trust" him with what exactly? That they would actually get paid what they were promised?

A majority of these 1 and dones are there for one thing and one thing only: to do whatever they can to get drafted as high as possible. That's it. You're trying to romanticize a process that is really just a business decision for the bulk of these kids.
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There’s no romanticizing anything in the concept that people instill false hope in a liar during a transaction. If you’re following this thread, it was suggested that Phillips is the “kind of kid” who signed with Wade, and therefore isn’t the right kind of kid. That’s specious nonsense. It’s equally speculative that every one and done kid is pursuing a one dimensional game of the highest draft slot. If that is the single dimension then it becomes difficult to defend LSU/Wade as a choice as he has a poor track record. Whether he believed Will Wade was a ticket to a high draft slot, loved the payday, or believed something else doesn’t matter. None of those points refute my point. If a kid and his family choose a bad coach, it doesn’t always imply the kid is bad. It can, but it’s not a universal truth. I trust Barnes to make that call on Phillips.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
Will Wade only had 3 draft picks since 2017 @ LSU. Only one being a one & done player. The other 2 were upperclassmen who were barely drafted.

Phillips signed with LSU because of the $. Have a hard time believing this time around is any different.
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May not be a bad thing as Tennessee is offering the most.
 
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Here's my last thoughts a few hours before he chooses. (I hope it's UT).

If this decision truly hasn't been made before now, then that means it will be an emotionally impacted decision. I don't think an emotional decision favors UT. We are a solid, steady program that approaches these recruits in a calculated way. Especially now with NIL and our offer being "on paper". He knows 100% what to expect from us. Hard coaching, no guarantees, $ on paper and a close-knit family that will come with accountability. That's not a "stars in your eyes, make me immediately look attractive to the NBA" approach and I love that.

Kids want to be valued at a level of social media awareness and "going viral" unlike any other generation because it didn't exist for other generations. If there are other schools or professional options claiming that they can do that, then I understand the appeal of dealing with people you may not like character-wise since it's "just one year" in their mind. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work out for the player and the school benefits regardless.

So I see why kids struggle from the inside of these meetings/promises made from programs that I think the unbiased fan would consider "dirty" or not beneficial for a kids career.

I do hope that his decision has been made and is just being very (impressively) well kept quiet; as I believe that favors our program the most. GBO!
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
There’s no romanticizing anything in the concept that people instill false hope in a liar during a transaction. If you’re following this thread, it was suggested that Phillips is the “kind of kid” who signed with Wade, and therefore isn’t the right kind of kid. That’s specious nonsense. It’s equally speculative that every one and done kid is pursuing a one dimensional game of the highest draft slot. If that is the single dimension then it becomes difficult to defend LSU/Wade as a choice as he has a poor track record. Whether he believed Will Wade was a ticket to a high draft slot, loved the payday, or believed something else doesn’t matter. None of those points refute my point. If a kid and his family choose a bad coach, it doesn’t always imply the kid is bad. It can, but it’s not a universal truth. I trust Barnes to make that call on Phillips.
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I'm following the thread and responded to you directly on your notion of "trust". Which you have responded with a diatribe that doesn't even address the question posed. I also said "a majority" of one and dones not "every" one and done, which you put in here. I've never acted like recruiting is binary. You are creating a stance and then arguing against it which is something you do often around here when questioned.

I've never questioned Phillips character nor have I supported anybody that did. I also don't think a kid wanting to get paid is a character flaw, nor do I think college coaches paying kids is a character flaw because every major college coach has done it. It's just part of the job. Including the one we have here and I consider Barnes to have very high character. However I also don't come to the realm of sports to seek morality guidance in any sort of fashion anyway but that is an entirely different conversation.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, Tennessee is paying more than anyone else.
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If Tennessee is paying more than anyone else, if his parents like and trust Barnes a lot (as indicated), then where is the conflicted nature coming from? Is this conflict really all about the simple guarantee of a starting spot that Auburn is likely pushing?
 
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If we get Phillips, I almost don't care if we get a transfer PG or not.

I trust ZZ, and honestly I guess Vescovi could play it if necessary. Part of me also just wants to say f it and go all out on Sherfield, waiver or not.

idk I guess I'll just be really hype if we get Phillips
 
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Vols8086 said:
I'm following the thread and responded to you directly on your notion of "trust". Which you have responded with a diatribe that doesn't even address the question posed. I also said "a majority" of one and dones not "every" one and done, which you put in here. I've never acted like recruiting is binary. You are creating a stance and then arguing against it which is something you do often around here when questioned.

I've never questioned Phillips character nor have I supported anybody that did. I also don't think a kid wanting to get paid is a character flaw, nor do I think college coaches paying kids is a character flaw because every major college coach has done it. It's just part of the job. Including the one we have here and I consider Barnes to have very high character. However I also don't come to the realm of sports to seek morality guidance in any sort of fashion anyway but that is an entirely different conversation.
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I did
Vols8086 said:
I'm following the thread and responded to you directly on your notion of "trust". Which you have responded with a diatribe that doesn't even address the question posed. I also said "a majority" of one and dones not "every" one and done, which you put in here. I've never acted like recruiting is binary. You are creating a stance and then arguing against it which is something you do often around here when questioned.

I've never questioned Phillips character nor have I supported anybody that did. I also don't think a kid wanting to get paid is a character flaw, nor do I think college coaches paying kids is a character flaw because every major college coach has done it. It's just part of the job. Including the one we have here and I consider Barnes to have very high character. However I also don't come to the realm of sports to seek morality guidance in any sort of fashion anyway but that is an entirely different conversation.
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Here is my reply to your question regarding trust.

“There’s no romanticizing anything in the concept that people instill false hope in a liar during a transaction.”

It was the first line of my reply.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
If Tennessee is paying more than anyone else, if his parents like and trust Barnes a lot (as indicated), then where is the conflicted nature coming from? Is this conflict really all about the simple guarantee of a starting spot that Auburn is likely pushing?
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Most likely has to do with the pro route.

If he thinks he’s good enough to skip college, that’s where the conflicted nature might be coming from?

IMO, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him take the G-League route considering he met up with them a couple of days ago.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I almost wonder if the order isn't...
Tennessee
G-League
Auburn
...at this point, whatever the percentages.
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That’s what I am thinking, too. I have no evidence, but based on piecing together all of the scarce info and the “indecision” from Phillips just 3.5 hours from his commitment, I wonder if he is weighing whether the college life (I.e. classes) is for him.

If we are to believe from the info available that Tennessee is paying the most by a good portion, Auburn’s NIL is a promise and not on paper, his parents like the stability of TN and Barnes, and we’ve got the longest running relationship with his side, the conflict would IMO seem odd to me if it was a decision between AU and TN.

All of this leads me to believe that IF he is conflicted and this isn’t just smoke to hide his decision, then he must not be sure if he wants to deal with the student side of college instead of just purely basketball 24/7.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
If we get Phillips, I almost don't care if we get a transfer PG or not.

I trust ZZ, and honestly I guess Vescovi could play it if necessary. Part of me also just wants to say f it and go all out on Sherfield, waiver or not.

idk I guess I'll just be really hype if we get Phillips
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Sherfield not getting a waiver perhaps hurts you with Aden Holloway and potentially Elliot Cadeau. That may be the hesitation.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
If Tennessee is paying more than anyone else, if his parents like and trust Barnes a lot (as indicated), then where is the conflicted nature coming from? Is this conflict really all about the simple guarantee of a starting spot that Auburn is likely pushing?
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Pearl is a salesman and knows how to push buttons in recruiting, I have no doubt he’s negatively recruiting Tennessee (his time here, BHH flopping etc) and pushing the right buttons with Jabari Smith and Auburn.
 
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