3 Former Vols chosen as worst picks since 1994

#51
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9296potsguy said:
I sat by Heath in my Econ 201 class. I honestly didn't pay too much attention to others in the class and didn't know who he was until 2 weeks in. He was always super nice and made good grades, seemed smart to me anyways.
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I went to William Blount and he came and talked to us my Sr yr '92. He was a really nice guy and signed autographs for us. Reggie White also came and talked to us. He would come run at our track as well. Thought that was the coolest thing back then and also played against Todd Helton in baseball. He was a damn beast.
 
#52
#52
9296potsguy said:
I sat by Heath in my Econ 201 class. I honestly didn't pay too much attention to others in the class and didn't know who he was until 2 weeks in. He was always super nice and made good grades, seemed smart to me anyways.
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Like I said, I have absolutely no basis for thinking he's not very bright other than his supposed complete inability to read defenses.
 
#54
#54
Dwayne Goodrich - overrated; last interception overinflated his stock.
Heath Shuler - brain dead. Looked very good coming out of college.. he fooled Norval Turner badly;
:wassup: come out during a really down period for QB's in college. Tennessee pumped Shuler up early as a Heismann candidate and Redskins bought in.

A basketball player won the Heisman. :eek:hmy:

"He started only two seasons for the Vols, running a scaled-down version of the offense because the coaching staff didn't believe he could handle the full load. As a rookie with the Redskins, Shuler was ridiculed unmercifully for every miscue he made.''
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Honestly it was Heath that brought on the fans turning on him by holding out and not going through workouts and practices. When he signed the largest contract in Redskins history he was expected to perform immediately. So it was majority Heaths fault unfortunately. If he would have signed the contract and not held out and gone out and earned the respect of his Coach's, teammates and fans it would have gone alot differently. Sure he was getting bad advice but ultimately it was his call and decision.
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You have to smart to play QB...
 
#56
#56
sjt18 said:
Kerry Collins and Heath were both considered busts early in their careers. Heath had a catastrophic foot injury. Collins went on to win a super bowl.

Fate has funny twists some times.
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Heath never had a chance. He was drafted to a team coached by Norv Turner. Enough said. Then you had Sonny Jorgenson demonizing him on the radio in Washington because of the paycheck he was earning as a #3 pick. He did the best thing he could do, take the money and run.

Jorgenson always thought of himself as someone much bigger than he actually was. He could not match up with the better QB's of that era, Bart Starr and Johnny Unitas. Roman Gabriel was better than Jorgenson in my opinion.
 
#57
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sjt18 said:
Kerry Collins and Heath were both considered busts early in their careers. Heath had a catastrophic foot injury. Collins went on to win a super bowl.

Fate has funny twists some times.
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I don't think Collins won a Super Bowl but good point.
 
#58
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jasonvol18 said:
His biggest problem was his foot injury and that did him in. But he also had Cam Cameron as his QB Coach and didnt have any help at WR or RB. His best WR was Desmond Howard and that wasnt saying much. He also held out on contract negotions which didnt make him the most popular newbie. If he could have gotten behind a Veteran and learned and got broken in slowly it definitely would have helped him.
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I agree he didn't do himself any favors with the holdout, but also agree with this being the other half of the story. I would add he spent a lot of time playing run-for-your-life ball behind a poor OL. Hated watching it.
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#59
#59
No Donte Stallworth?

One of my favorite players of all-time as a Vol and I followed him on the Saints wanting him to do well. Then the incident occurred and I kind of stopped being a fan even if it was an accident. Maybe he wasn't at fault but who knows. Anyways, he was drafted 13th and never broke 1,000 yards in a season a single time. He has 4,837 yards in 10 seasons. To put that into perspective, Calvin Johnson just had 1,964 yards in a single season. Sure, that's the single season record for yardage but point is, a receiver just had 40.6% of Stallworth's career(10 years) receiving yards in one season. For a 13th overall pick, you should be the number one receiver, not a slot receiver. He was a deep threat but none the less, his total yardage is pretty lousy given where he was drafted. Should also be noted that he was the 1st receiver taken...

Maybe I'm off base but given the circumstances, his career was very disappointing.
 
#60
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vol-un-tear said:
I don't think Collins won a Super Bowl but good point.
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He didn't, he got smoked by the Ravens.

I was a huge Kerry Collins fans. Followed him from the Panthers, to the Saints and to the Giants. I became a Saints and Giants fan when he was taking the Giants to the Super Bowl and Aaron Brooks was the QB for the Saints. The Giants had Tiki Barber, Ron Dayne, Amani Toomer, Jason Seahorn, Jesse Armstead, Michael Strahan... and the Saints had Ricky Williams, Deuce McCallister, Joe Horn... I remember the Saints getting their first win in the playoffs I believe it was, it was exciting. It was against the Rams and they tried an onside kick that they recovered at the start of the game or start that half. Was just a great game. I eventually became a fan of just the Titans though.
 
#61
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jasonvol18 said:
Honestly it was Heath that brought on the fans turning on him by holding out and not going through workouts and practices. When he signed the largest contract in Redskins history he was expected to perform immediately. So it was majority Heaths fault unfortunately. If he would have signed the contract and not held out and gone out and earned the respect of his Coach's, teammates and fans it would have gone alot differently. Sure he was getting bad advice but ultimately it was his call and decision.
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I agree,but another reason the fans weren't with Heath is because of Gus Frerotte. The fans had man love for him and he sucked for the most part.

Now days a team would draft and build the offensive scheme around the QB at least a lot more than they did then anyway,not make a QB something he wasn't....a stand in the pocket QB.
 
#64
#64
I think Shuler has gotten a bit of a bad rap. He was a talented QB. No doubt he and his agent were stupid to hold out--that was the first problem. The second was that the Redskins were a BAD football team, and no QB short of Manning and Brady can make a bad team look good. Shuler did struggle to adjust to the pro game, but I thought he was getting better when he developed the serious foot problem that ended his career. QB is a tough position--it's not easy to succeed in the NFL.
 
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#66
#66
Come on Shuler only has himself to blame for the fans turning on him, his holdout cost him dearly. It's a pretty common thing to, so it's not like he was unfairly targeted. It's obvious he needed the training.
 
#67
#67
volfanecs said:
Haynesworth is not on the list?
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As A Titans fan I do not miss Haynesworth one bit. The guy had it in him to be great but was too lazy to put forth the effort! Just thinking about how bad the Titans are right now makes me sick. I wish we had A good owner, GM and coach!
 
#68
#68
VolsSportsFan said:
Come on Shuler only has himself to blame for the fans turning on him, his holdout cost him dearly. It's a pretty common thing to, so it's not like he was unfairly targeted. It's obvious he needed the training.
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I think the fact that his holdout came after he had made the statement that leaving college had nothing to do with money certainly didn't help his popularity.
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#71
#71
Weezer said:
Haha. No. Dominant OL trumps dominant TE every time. Allen was a beast.
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Lg is greater than TE? I disagree completely.

Not only can Witten block, but he catches passes too. Sure oline as a whole is more important than TE, but that's 5 players vs 1.
 
#72
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Vol8188 said:
Lg is greater than TE? I disagree completely.

Not only can Witten block, but he catches passes too. Sure oline as a whole is more important than TE, but that's 5 players vs 1.
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If not positional importance, then the fact that Allen is simply better should seal the deal. Allen is a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame. Witten will likely never garner serious consideration.
 
#73
#73
Goodwritch shudn't really be considered a bust. Who knows what he could have done. As for the other two Nash was helped by having Manning as his college QB. Shuler, yeah bi time bust of epic proportions!
 
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