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Nationdom said:
I understand that you can't have all 4 and 5s, I would just like it if that were the case and I thought Butch could pull it off after that legacy class last year. I convicted by friend who is a CU Buff fan to get text alerts for Vol commits and he says this... "Looks like another 3 star for UT, CU would beat UT". Good information from you though.
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I didn't realize Colorado's current class was ranked in the top 10.
 
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Clearly Peyton manning is silly for telling Knox news this morning he is excited about butch jones recruiting.

Clearly Mike Farrell is also silly for saying TN adding a very good player in Oliver because his site has him as a 3 star.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Here is 4 of our toughest opponents this season. We all know Bama's classes are unfair. The other teams arent even close to these guys.

Oklahoma's Signing Class 2011 - 2014 (4 classes)
5* - 4
4* - 32
3* - 50
2* - 7
Unranked - 1

Florida's Signing Class 2011 - 2014 (4 classes)
5* - 6
4* - 47
3* - 39
2* - 2

Georgia's Signing Class 2011 - 2014
5* - 5
4* - 46
3* - 45
2* - 3

South Carolina Signing Class 2011 - 2014
5* - 1
4* - 32
3* - 66
2* - 2

Oklahoma and South Carolina sign way more 3*s than they do any other, and are the highest ranked of those 4 schools
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theres also really nobody left from that OU 2011 class
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
I think a lot of our 3*s that we have are more situational. Remember, they will be behind the guys we got in the previous class.

Smith (LB). Will lay the wood and good in coverage. I think his skillset is identical to Dillon Bates. Reported that he could be the most underrated guy in the class and he is the biggest steal. Every down
Reid (RB). Powerback. Goal line/3rd-4th and short.
Picou (DT). Drives back the OL. Could be every down.
Oliver (TE). Jumpball receiver
Bruce (Slot). Shifty. Screens etc.
Jackson (DE). Bama offered.
Griffin (S). Will lay the wood and good in coverage. Every down.
Woods (Slot). Speedy. Maybe a return guy.
Dormady (QB). The guy that Bama wanted as their QB. Didnt play his Junior year because of an injury but is still a 4* on 247. #5 pro style QB on 247. Reported that he could have the best arm in the class.
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So you "recruit" the "3*" guys to be "situational" plays who will be "back-ups" to the previous class???? That makes no since whatsoever.

And Smith is not near as athletic as Dillon Bates however he plays on one of the best programs in Ga. Picou is legitimate.
 
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Nationdom said:
Those are all decent to good offer lists for the most part and these guys could end up being solid players but do you see any program changers in there? The kind of player that we need to beat bama at Their place? Players that will hit you in the mouth and get in your face and almost get a taunting penalty, but hold off at the last second?
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You mean Cam Sutton?

Well Bama wanted Dormady as their only QB this cycle so apparently they thought pretty highly of him.

Picou is going to be a very good Dlineman.
 
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patrick said:
So you "recruit" the "3*" guys to be "situational" plays who will be "back-ups" to the previous class???? That makes no since whatsoever.

And Smith is not near as athletic as Dillon Bates however he plays on one of the best programs in Ga. Picou is legitimate.
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Smith is very athletic especially at his size but yeah I wouldn't put him in Bates category but I wouldn't put alot of folks in that category at LB.
 
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patrick said:
So you "recruit" the "3*" guys to be "situational" plays who will be "back-ups" to the previous class???? That makes no since whatsoever.

And Smith is not near as athletic as Dillon Bates however he plays on one of the best programs in Ga. Picou is legitimate.
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Yep, you recruit every player with the intent of them being a starter somewhere at some point in their careers.

No disrespect to the op but this thread reminds me of last year when people were questioning recruits then as the season progressed they started getting other big time offers they magically weren't terrible anymore. So just let the season progress some will get better and some will get cut to make room for other players
 
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thread starter now on ignore.

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Burger said:
Then there's Alfred Morris, Fred Jackson, Chris "no heart" Johnson, and Matt Forte.
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Reggie Bush: 6.1 5*
Frank Gore: 6.1 5*
Adrian Peterson: 6.1 5*
Trent Richardson: 6.1 5*
C.J. Spiller: 6.1 5*
Jamaal Charles: 6.0 4*
Marshawn Lynch: 6.0 4*
DeMarco Murray: 6.0 4*
Ben Tate: 6.0 4*
Andre Ellington: 5.9 4*
Eddie Lacy: 5.9 4*
LeSean McCoy: 5.9 4*
Knowshon Moreno: 5.9 4*
Montee Ball: 5.8 4*
Giovani Bernard: 5.8 4*
Stevan Ridley: 5.8 4*
Toby Gerhart: 5.7 4*
Zac Stacy: 5.6 3*
Arian Foster: 5.5 3*
Ryan Mathews: 5.5 3*
Ray Rice: 5.5 3*
Le'Veon Bell: 5.4 2*
Doug Martin: 5.2 2*
Matt Forte: 5.1 2*
Rashad Jennings: 5.1 2*
Alfred Morris: 5.1 2*
Chris Johnson: 5.0 2*

There are 27 starting running backs. 11 of those 27 are 3* or less.

There are currently 36 running backs/all purpose backs in the 2015 class (on Rivals) that are 4* or higher. There are literally hundreds of running backs that are 3* or lower. There is a distinct possibility that someone lower than 3* will get into the NFL. There is a much higher probability, though, that one of the 4* or 5* backs will be more successful.

I don't understand why people try to use the few that made it to claim that every 3* or lower will be great. Just because Chris Johnson did it doesn't mean Jabo Lee, Alden Hill, Quenshaun Watson, and Tom Smith will all become stars. That's the same drivel that was said in each of their threads. There's a much higher probability that the 4 4* and highers (Bryce Brown, David Oku, Rajion Neal, and Marlin Lane) we've had since 09 will have legitimate impacts and possibly go on to the league.

Some 4* and higher bottom out while some 3* and lower show out. Stop acting like the exception is the rule.
 
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I'd say you're putting words in peoples mouth. I have not read that anyone said a 2-3* is more likely to get to the league. I myself could care less about the league. I want players who perform to the best of their abilities and leave it all on the field while at UT. I have stated that recruiting services miss on both high and low ranked recruits. Things they can't see in film such as coachability goes a long way when looking at potential players.
 
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BonesVol said:
I'd say you're putting words in peoples mouth. I have not read that anyone said a 2-3* is more likely to get to the league. I myself could care less about the league. I want players who perform to the best of their abilities and leave it all on the field while at UT. I have stated that recruiting services miss on both high and low ranked recruits. Things they can't see in film such as coachability goes a long way when looking at potential players.
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This right here is the exception. Using the exception as a rule is just stupid.

And I'm saying that almost every thread about a 3* player will have one of three topics discussed: 1. he'll be bumped up to a 4* before all is said and done, 2. he's got a lot of heart and he's really smart so he'll make an impact, or 3. Chris Johnson was a 2* so this guy can do it too.

As for the not caring what happens to kids after UT, though. Well I've said my peace on that. Glad to hear that you, too, don't care about their futures.
 
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crusse10 said:
This right here is the exception. Using the exception as a rule is just stupid.

And I'm saying that almost every thread about a 3* player will have one of three topics discussed: 1. he'll be bumped up to a 4* before all is said and done, 2. he's got a lot of heart and he's really smart so he'll make an impact, or 3. Chris Johnson was a 2* so this guy can do it too.

As for the not caring what happens to kids after UT, though. Well I've said my peace on that. Glad to hear that you, too, don't care about their futures.
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Are you my wife? You sound just like her. My comment about the league means i could care less about the NFL. UT football is my life when it comes to sports. I wish all players throughout the country the very best until they play the big orange.
You have an agenda so you will try to twist anyones words that doesn't agree with what you believe. Just like my wife. Crazy woman!!
I take it you want all 5* players on the team?? Not possible but you can go be a bama fan. They have more and you sound as if you would fit right in with the other fwads down there.
 
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BonesVol said:
Are you my wife? You sound just like her. My comment about the league means i could care less about the NFL. UT football is my life when it comes to sports. I wish all players throughout the country the very best until they play the big orange.
You have an agenda so you will try to twist anyones words that doesn't agree with what you believe. Just like my wife. Crazy woman!!
I take it you want all 5* players on the team?? Not possible but you can go be a bama fan. They have more and you sound as if you would fit right in with the other fwads down there.
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I want a team that plays together and works hard. I want those players to have innate talent that will help them succeed. I'm not, however, going to blindly say, because a coach gave them a scholarship offer, and because a few random players from the past outplayed their billing, that the future players will all be the greatest ever. It's called being a realist.

And I realize, over and over again, that you "could care less." Quotes, cause you're clearly dumb enough to not understand your own words. Regardless, your attitude is "who cares if the players go on to successful careers as long as you can brag that the team you like did well?"
 
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crusse10 said:
I want a team that plays together and works hard. I want those players to have innate talent that will help them succeed. I'm not, however, going to blindly say, because a coach gave them a scholarship offer, and because a few random players from the past outplayed their billing, that the future players will all be the greatest ever. It's called being a realist.

And I realize, over and over again, that you "could care less." Quotes, cause you're clearly dumb enough to not understand your own words. Regardless, your attitude is "who cares if the players go on to successful careers as long as you can brag that the team you like did well?"
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Thanks for giving me a free look into my own mind. You sir are a real piece. I hope for your sake you do understand that you're not as intelligent as you believe you are.
 
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crusse10 said:
This right here is the exception. Using the exception as a rule is just stupid.

And I'm saying that almost every thread about a 3* player will have one of three topics discussed: 1. he'll be bumped up to a 4* before all is said and done, 2. he's got a lot of heart and he's really smart so he'll make an impact, or 3. Chris Johnson was a 2* so this guy can do it too.

As for the not caring what happens to kids after UT, though. Well I've said my peace on that. Glad to hear that you, too, don't care about their futures.
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you forgot the "CBJ gets paid big $$$$ to evaluate talent" and "you are not a D1 college football coach so stuff it"..

oh and this one is one of my favorites - "he is a system guy and will fit well within CBJ's system".
 
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patrick said:
you forgot the "CBJ gets paid big $$$$ to evaluate talent" and "you are not a D1 college football coach so stuff it"..

oh and this one is one of my favorites - "he is a system guy and will fit well within CBJ's system".
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Now I will say that system, from time to time, can have an impact. Dane Bradshaw would have never had an ounce of success in college if not for Pearl's system.
 
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crusse10 said:
Now I will say that system, from time to time, can have an impact. Dane Bradshaw would have never had an ounce of success in college if not for Pearl's system.
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Well that is true however that is said by many posters on this board when the player is a 3 star. But I am not disagreeing with you.
 
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I have no idea how the analysis would be performed, but I suspect it would be highly instructive to look at the typical ratings move of a Dooley recruit from offer until signing vs CBJ and vs Saban. It is a favorite pastime of VN to lament the Tennessee drop/Bama boost in recruiting ratings, but given Bama's on-field success and UT's recent lack thereof, isn't it more likely that Saban has proven to be a better talent evaluator historically, and the recruiting services eventually figure it out? I would lay good odds that Butch will have them moving up more often than Dooley, and it will be interesting to see how he compares to Saban over time.

I'd also like to offer, for stargazer edification, that last year's SEC East champs had a total of 6 players ranked higher than 3* from '11 to '14. While I will happily grant that may have been a freakishly good result for them, it is also pretty clear that their coaching staff can both identify talent and develop it. Clearly some coaches have that ability and only time will tell whether Butch is one of them. In the meantime, I suggest copious amounts of beer and/or Valium.
 
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