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BonesVol said:
Sanddune it's not worth it. You'll get no where with this guy. As it stands now, you do not care for the players and that is that. :)
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Yeah, I'm a horrible human being. Hopefully I'll learn the error of my ways.

You're right though. Arguing with a tree stump is never worth it.
 
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sanddune50 said:
You can continue to say it all you want. It doesn't matter. You are not inside these kids heads. So you have no idea what their wishes and desires are after college. You spoke definitively about their parents and families considering them failures for not making it into a league where only a fraction of college players ever make it. You act as if you know these families, have spoke with these families, had them share personal details about their feelings on this topic. Fact is, these are your beliefs that you are transferring onto them.

I'm sure most people support these kids regardless of what walk of life they enter when they leave Knoxville. If they make it to the NFL, great! I'm sure they will be supported. For example, I've never seen so many Denver Broncos fans in Knoxville in my life as I have the last 2 years since Peyton and other ex-Vols started wearing Donkey jerseys. But if they don't go to the NFL, it doesn't mean they are not supported. It just means most people realize there is more to life than football, and getting an education is a safer bet than playing in the NFL. And assuming a player makes it to the NFL, the average shelf life is less than 4 years, so it may be advantageous to have a back up plan. Bottom line, is you are putting words in people's mouths and arguing for the sake of arguing.
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No, I said that they would feel like that to those people. If you honestly think that Corey Miller is happy as a clam that he's not in an NFL camp right now, then I don't know what to tell you. 1% make it, but when you're a senior starter at a good SEC team, that number is no longer 1%. At that point, you're in the minority if you don't at least get in as an undrafted free agent with an opportunity. If you don't, you will undoubtedly feel as if you failed those who were counting on you. If you were planning on using that money to support your family, you're even more likely to consider yourself a failure.

You don't have to be inside someone's head to know that. It's common sense.
 
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I'm arguing that I want our coaches putting the players in a system that will succeed and put them in the NFL.

Yeah, I'm the idiot. How dare I want the time they spend at Tennessee to be advantageous to their possible future in the NFL?
 
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crusse10 said:
I'm arguing that I want our coaches putting the players in a system that will succeed and put them in the NFL.

Yeah, I'm the idiot. How dare I want the time they spend at Tennessee to be advantageous to their possible future in the NFL?
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Can Newton's pretty good huh?...What type of system he play at Fla and AUB?
 
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crusse10 said:
Cam had 4* talent all around him: WR, TE, and RB (times 3). With better coaching, they could have been successful down the road.
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That's laughable. Coaches don't put you into the NFL, talent and work ethic do.
 
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ajvol01 said:
2012 Auburn W-L record disagrees with you
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Only 1 position player near the top of the depth chart in 2010 was still on the 2012 team, the TE.

My bad, 2. One of the RBs was.

Both were 4* recruits.
 
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crusse10 said:
No, I said that they would feel like that to those people. If you honestly think that Corey Miller is happy as a clam that he's not in an NFL camp right now, then I don't know what to tell you. 1% make it, but when you're a senior starter at a good SEC team, that number is no longer 1%. At that point, you're in the minority if you don't at least get in as an undrafted free agent with an opportunity. If you don't, you will undoubtedly feel as if you failed those who were counting on you. If you were planning on using that money to support your family, you're even more likely to consider yourself a failure.

You don't have to be inside someone's head to know that. It's common sense.
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Well, I think it's common sense that it's your opinion that these kids feel like failures if they don't make it to the pros. Unless you can cite a study where some large percentage of college football players felt like failures for not making the pros, your argument is subjective. You're misusing terms like 'common sense' to fit your flimsy argument. Are the kids disappointed who had hoped to go pro? I'm sure that they are. But to label them as failures or to insinuate that their families view them as such is a big reach on your part.

We are going in circles here. You want to keep beating this drum, than carry on. I just think it is rather arrogant to claim you know what's going through someone's head without any evidence to support it and broad stroke your claim with a convenient term to support your opinion. Enjoy the misplaced football forum thread, I'm out.
 
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crusse10 said:
Tebow got in the NFL because of Meyer
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how'd that work out? I'm not sure he even qualified for benefits...you usually get them for being in the league for 3+ years... I'm sure he will get some from SEC network...good kid,great college player,bad pro player...
 
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When you set the loftiest of goals and, though constant work over at least 13 years, you are on the cusp of achieving that goal, and miss, that sucks. When you're left battered and beaten with what's sure to be cognitive issues down the road with nothing to show for it but the same degree that someone dicked around for 4 years to get is downright depressing. It will make anyone in that situation wonder what they could have done differently because they failed to reach the goal they had within reach. There's no need for a scientific study to explain personal anguish at not achieving a goal.
 
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He's in everyones head. He knows all.
These UT alumni with multi million $ companies hiring said football players with great salaries and benefits must mean Jack squat.
 
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triad280 said:
how'd that work out? I'm not sure he even qualified for benefits...you usually get them for being in the league for 3+ years... I'm sure he will get some from SEC network...good kid,great college player,bad pro player...
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You just helped prove his point. He clearly wasn't an NFL QB, but Meyer and his system got him enough recognition for a team to take a chance on him in the 1st round. Their probably wasn't another coach/team in the country that would've gotten Tebow drafted that high because, again, he wasn't an NFL QB.
 
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B-sideVol18 said:
You just helped prove his point. He clearly wasn't an NFL QB, but Meyer and his system got him enough recognition for a team to take a chance on him in the 1st round. Their probably wasn't another coach/team in the country that would've gotten Tebow drafted that high because, again, he wasn't an NFL QB.
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what happened to the dumb azz that drafted him? yea,he got fired... and they went and hired John Elway,he dumped Tebow as soon as he got there...it only takes 1 moron out of the 32 to make you a 1st rd pick...just look at the picks Al Davis made over the years... it only takes 1 guy stupid enough to pick you...

Tebow was a great college player,his game doesnt translate to the NFL though...everyone but McDaniel knew that...CUM doesnt have a thing to do with him getting drafted in the 1st rd...
 
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crusse10 said:
I'm arguing that I want our coaches putting the players in a system that will succeed and put them in the NFL.

Yeah, I'm the idiot. How dare I want the time they spend at Tennessee to be advantageous to their possible future in the NFL?
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Okay, you're morally superior because you think these kids families and "everyone who counted on them" views them as failures for not making the league. Don't know what your family life was like growing up, but I've NEVER, let me repeat in boldest font possible, NEVER known a family member or anyone who is close to someone who has spent all those years playing a sport but did not make it as a pro, and call them a failure. My family and every other family I've been close enough to observe for any length of time, applauds hard work and would never call anyone a failure because they did not make the NFL.

As for for desiring coaches to put players in a system that will succeed, that's what every person on this message board wants, we want UT to once again have a successful program competing for SEC and National Championships. It is not the coaches job to put players into the league, if it was that would be stipulated in their contract with quantifiable numbers. Please provide one college coach with a contract that pays him according to the number of players he gets in the league. Don't look too hard because you won't find one. College coaches are paid to have successful teams, period. For that reason, they will run a system they feel gives them the best opportunity to win games rather try to prepare someone for the league.

You need to get off your self-righteous horse because you are the only one who cares about the players. I believe all of us take pride in UT alum who do make it to the league, but don't make yourself out as Mother Teresa because you care more.

That's all, I'm outta here.
 
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Big151Orange said:
Okay, you're morally superior because you think these kids families and "everyone who counted on them" views them as failures for not making the league. Don't know what your family life was like growing up, but I've NEVER, let me repeat in boldest font possible, NEVER known a family member or anyone who is close to someone who has spent all those years playing a sport but did not make it as a pro, and call them a failure. My family and every other family I've been close enough to observe for any length of time, applauds hard work and would never call anyone a failure because they did not make the NFL.

As for for desiring coaches to put players in a system that will succeed, that's what every person on this message board wants, we want UT to once again have a successful program competing for SEC and National Championships. It is not the coaches job to put players into the league, if it was that would be stipulated in their contract with quantifiable numbers. Please provide one college coach with a contract that pays him according to the number of players he gets in the league. Don't look too hard because you won't find one. College coaches are paid to have successful teams, period. For that reason, they will run a system they feel gives them the best opportunity to win games rather try to prepare someone for the league.

You need to get off your self-righteous horse because you are the only one who cares about the players. I believe all of us take pride in UT alum who do make it to the league, but don't make yourself out as Mother Teresa because you care more.

That's all, I'm outta here.
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for got "drops mic"..:thumbsup:
 
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Big151Orange said:
Okay, you're morally superior because you think these kids families and "everyone who counted on them" views them as failures for not making the league. Don't know what your family life was like growing up, but I've NEVER, let me repeat in boldest font possible, NEVER known a family member or anyone who is close to someone who has spent all those years playing a sport but did not make it as a pro, and call them a failure. My family and every other family I've been close enough to observe for any length of time, applauds hard work and would never call anyone a failure because they did not make the NFL.

As for for desiring coaches to put players in a system that will succeed, that's what every person on this message board wants, we want UT to once again have a successful program competing for SEC and National Championships. It is not the coaches job to put players into the league, if it was that would be stipulated in their contract with quantifiable numbers. Please provide one college coach with a contract that pays him according to the number of players he gets in the league. Don't look too hard because you won't find one. College coaches are paid to have successful teams, period. For that reason, they will run a system they feel gives them the best opportunity to win games rather try to prepare someone for the league.

You need to get off your self-righteous horse because you are the only one who cares about the players. I believe all of us take pride in UT alum who do make it to the league, but don't make yourself out as Mother Teresa because you care more.

That's all, I'm outta here.
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I called people out on saying that they don't care if anyone makes it to the league as long as UT does well. I disagree with that viewpoint. You can drop your microphone all you want. Doesn't make me less right.

As I noted multiple times, I'm not saying that they are failures or that the people who love them say that they're failures. I'm saying that personal responsibility tugs at people who don't achieve a life-goal that they've set, especially when you're as close as a senior starter in the SEC. When you add to that the possibility that you wanted to take care of your family with NFL money, suddenly it's even harsher on the player.

Never said the family would call them a failure.

Solid reading, though.
 
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