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wildnkrazykat said:
Describe "this kind of thing" that makes you feel slimy
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Cal has always had one goal and one goal only and that is to get his guys to the NBA. I mentioned this before and I'm going to say it again but it's not about the fans, the tradition, or even the university anymore. Cal's system that he runs is nothing more than a NBA training camp. I understand you're winning and getting McDonald's All Americans every year but whats really in it for UK fans? Are you truly happy with the way Cal runs things now? I don't believe Kentucky deserves a slimy coach like Cal and I don't think he deserves Kentucky either.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Cal has always had one goal and one goal only and that is to get his guys to the NBA. I mentioned this before and I'm going to say it again but it's not about the fans, the tradition, or even the university anymore. Cal's system that he runs is nothing more than a NBA training camp. I understand you're winning and getting McDonald's All Americans every year but whats really in it for UK fans? Are you truly happy with the way Cal runs things now? I don't believe Kentucky deserves a slimy coach like Cal and I don't think he deserves Kentucky either.
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This^^^^
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
He may or may not have made the comments. His jaw doesn't appear to move and his teammates never respond by even looking his way. I just feel like they would have had some sort of response, even if it was a smile or giggle or mouth gaping open.
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Is it just coincidental that as its muttered he covers his mouth and tilts his head down? His face moves pretty evidently as well, indicating something was said.
 
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JDisThereThere said:
Yeah and this is the first year in a while it has been like that. This year was a bit of anomaly in Cal's program. Besides probably 3-4 of those So/Jrs are going pro now anyway.
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No the year we won the championship was like that, so that's 2 of the last 4 or something. Idk.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
No the year we won the championship was like that, so that's 2 of the last 4 or something. Idk.
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What about last year where you had 2 one and dones, and nearly had 4 or 5 since the Harrison twins and mabye even Marcus Lee would've left if UK had beaten UCONN? Or year before that where UK had 2 one and dones?

Point is that Cal is promoting a culture where getting kids to the league is his primary goal.
 
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JDisThereThere said:
What about last year where you had 2 one and dones, and nearly had 4 or 5 since the Harrison twins and mabye even Marcus Lee would've left if UK had beaten UCONN? Or year before that where UK had 2 one and dones?

Point is that Cal is promoting a culture where getting kids to the league is his primary goal.
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But they didn't leave.

So you would rather butch jones recruit 3*'s that will stay 4 years than to sign every best player he can?
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
But they didn't leave.

So you would rather butch jones recruit 3*'s that will stay 4 years than to sign every best player he can?
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If your plan is to go out and win it all every year with a bunch of freshman and sophomore's, you're probably not going to win it all much, if ever. It's worked out well for Kentucky but in the end it's only led to 1 title despite the slew of talent. At some point, it's probably best to have some legit players that stick around as leaders. Simply put, it took the best player in the NBA today for Kentucky to win the championship they won. They couldn't even win it all with Cousins, Wall and Bledsoe. I don't think Calipari is that amazing of a coach but seeing as he's hands down the best recruiter, it doesn't matter all that much because he always has multiple future superstars that are NBA ready. So, yeah... unless someone like Anthony Davis, or Lebron, or Melo(he was actually on a team of older players but was their best player) or whoever comes through, the odds of such a young team winning it all is unlikely.

There's a reason why Wisconsin and Duke, two teams that are built out of players who stick around and quality coaching, are in the championship. It's generally best not to hand the reigns over to a group of people who have never performed what you're asking of them. Both Lee and Johnson are sophomores that combined for 13 total minutes in the championship so they barely even played. The only non-freshman that really got to play tonight are the Harrison twins and WCS. Other than Stein who put up 2pts 5rebs, who are the young kids supposed to turn to, Malone, Lanter and Long? Who the hell are those guys? Obviously you want to recruit as much talent as possible but in the case of Kentucky, it might be better to make sure you get a get a few long term players that can actually play so there is some stability when filtering in players year in and year out. Everyone knows Kentucky will be good every year but nobody ever knows how good because it's a completely different team every single year. They will never go for a repeat championship run(not with the same roster at least) because they'll never return a similar roster. It's always going to be a completely different team every year and nobody knows what that means for Kentucky. Will they go 38-0 or will they go 25-10? Who knows, they've never been an sort of team before.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
I don't disagree but you didn't answer the question
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Yes I did. Rather than getting 5 5*'s and 3 4*'s every year, I said I'd sacrifice a little bit of the overall talent to have quality upper classmen on the roster. Frank Kaminsky was a 3* recruit that just turned 22 tonight. By having said senior on their Wisconsin, they also had a leader that has had years of NCAA experience. And in his case, if he doesn't win it all, he may not get much of a chance to play basketball at this level(or higher) again. Most of those Kentucky players tonight don't have to worry about whether they'll be playing basketball in the future. They know they'll get drafted high and have a guaranteed shot to make it in the NBA when they walk away from this.

But yeah, Wisconsin's 3* senior leader put up 20pts-11rebs-2blks-2stls against a 38-0 team and is now headed to the championship. Maybe you disagree but that's the reason Kentucky should mix in players like that with all of the young players that are gone after a year or two. Seriously, Kentucky has all of the talent in the world but that 3* senior leader whooped Kentucky's ass tonight.

Just because a 3* player many not contribute right away to Kentucky's expectations, it's good for long term success and building a more stable championship run. Wisconsin was patient with Kaminsky and well..

Kaminsky
FR 1.8pts 1.4rebs 0.3asts 0.4blks 0.1stls 41.1%fg 28.6%3pt
SO 4.2pts 1.8rebs 0.8asts 0.5blks 0.4stls 43.9%fg 31.1%3pt
JR 13.9pts 6.3rebs 1.3ast 1.7blk 0.7stls 52.8%fg 37.8%3pt
SR 18.7pts 8.0rebs 2.7asts 1.5blks 0.9stls 54.9%fg 41.5%3pt

So to answer your question again, yes, I'd sacrifice some immediate talent right away if there was a 3* or 4* player that I knew could be great and a leader that sticks around but just needs a little coaching. The incoming freshman may always be better than the senior but they won't have his experience. After three or four years of practicing and three or four full seasons under their belt, they've seen it all come tournament time. I would prefer a couple of those guys on my team as opposed to only freshman or sophomore who have never been to the tournament or been to the final 4. Those three Kentucky seniors, I have no idea who they are but them being there isn't the same as an actual quality senior who can log quality minutes and contribute.
 
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TOP said:
Yes I did. Rather than getting 5 5*'s and 3 4*'s every year, I said I'd sacrifice a little bit of the overall talent to have quality upper classmen on the roster. Frank Kaminsky was a 3* recruit that just turned 22 tonight. By having said senior on their Wisconsin, they also had a leader that has had years of NCAA experience. And in his case, if he doesn't win it all, he may not get much of a chance to play basketball at this level(or higher) again. Most of those Kentucky players tonight don't have to worry about whether they'll be playing basketball in the future. They know they'll get drafted high and have a guaranteed shot to make it in the NBA when they walk away from this.

But yeah, Wisconsin's 3* senior leader put up 20pts-11rebs-2blks-2stls against a 38-0 team and is now headed to the championship. Maybe you disagree but that's the reason Kentucky should mix in players like that with all of the young players that are gone after a year or two. Seriously, Kentucky has all of the talent in the world but that 3* senior leader whooped Kentucky's ass tonight.

Just because a 3* player many not contribute right away to Kentucky's expectations, it's good for long term success and building a more stable championship run. Wisconsin was patient with Kaminsky and well..

Kaminsky
FR 1.8pts 1.4rebs 0.3asts 0.4blks 0.1stls 41.1%fg 28.6%3pt
SO 4.2pts 1.8rebs 0.8asts 0.5blks 0.4stls 43.9%fg 31.1%3pt
JR 13.9pts 6.3rebs 1.3ast 1.7blk 0.7stls 52.8%fg 37.8%3pt
SR 18.7pts 8.0rebs 2.7asts 1.5blks 0.9stls 54.9%fg 41.5%3pt

So to answer your question again, yes, I'd sacrifice some immediate talent right away if there was a 3* or 4* player that I knew could be great and a leader that sticks around but just needs a little coaching. The incoming freshman may always be better than the senior but they won't have his experience. After three or four years of practicing and three or four full seasons under their belt, they've seen it all come tournament time. I would prefer a couple of those guys on my team as opposed to only freshman or sophomore who have never been to the tournament or been to the final 4. Those three Kentucky seniors, I have no idea who they are but them being there isn't the same as an actual quality senior who can log quality minutes and contribute.
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That's not true and it's harder to find those 3* that are going to be studs by the time they are seniors. U take talent, roll with it and hope it's enough.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That's not true and it's harder to find those 3* that are going to be studs by the time they are seniors. U take talent, roll with it and hope it's enough.
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Coach K has never done it that way(prior to this year) and he's headed to his 9th title game. Obviously you take as much talent as you can get but experience more often than not is a fairly important component in winning a championship, as well as chemistry. Kentucky isn't winning because of experience and chemistry, they're winning from a pure talent standpoint. Kentucky year after year recycles teams to bring in another that starts off with no experience and no chemistry. Most positions in life require a leader but Kentucky rarely goes into a season with one. With no experience and never having played together, who is the leader? These other schools have players who have been there, learned the ropes and have seniority. You also have to remember that fundamentals are an important part of the game and who do you think has better fundamentals on average? The third and fourth year junior/senior or the freshman? Juniors and seniors are guys that have learned how to play the game under a college coach for multiple years, know the system and what the coach expects. I know it's only been 5 seasons and I'd take Kentucky's success all day everyday, I'm simply pointing out that while they always have the most talented team they struggle to go the distance because they're so young and fundamentally still developing. I believe if you could throw someone like Matt Howard from Butler on their team or Chris Lofton, those are nice junior and senior players to have as glue guys. Those are the types of players Kentucky wouldn't even bother looking at though today. Heck, did they even look at Lofton years ago during their recruitment? Dude was Mr. Kentucky and if they wouldn't take him then coming out of high school, they definitely wouldn't take him today. I wouldn't doubt that Kentucky wins another championship but the fact that even Cousins/Walls/Bledsoe failed to do seems to show that experience can play an important part because look at them in the NBA today. So far Calipari has only won a title with arguably the best player in the NBA today, Anthony Davis. He even fell short with Rose who went onto upstage Lebron for an MVP as well. As it stands, it's taken literally the best player in the NBA to win it all as a freshman under Calipari. They'll be in the discussion all day when it comes to winning a title but can they get by the teams that are both extremely talented(not as talented as Kentucky obviously) and have years of playing together at the college level? Experience won out this time around. Wisconsin didn't play a single freshman and the players that logged more than 5 minutes for Wiscy... 4 seniors, 1 junior, 2 sophomores. Duke is rather young as well but they also have a better coach than Kentucky. We'll see how Wiscy and Duke plays out.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
What is it with UT fans and tattoo hate?
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Not really a "UT fan" thing, there are just many Christians here in the south that think getting a tattoo directly injects "tha daevil inta yer sowl". You know just the normal judging by appearances instead of the content of one's character.

As a side note- despite me not being the best person, I am also a southern Christian. I just know that it is not my place to judge others.

As an extra side note- 38 and Doh ahahahahaha
 
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TOP said:
So to answer your question again, yes, I'd sacrifice some immediate talent right away if there was a 3* or 4* player that I knew could be great and a leader that sticks around but just needs a little coaching.
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Give me the talent and the Final Fours. UK isn't gonna turn away 5*s because they'd rather have "experience" later on. It's not like we're losing in the early rounds, or struggling to even win 20 games. We've had 4 good years, one meh year, and one bad year. 5/6 years getting to the Elite 8. You can't complain about that. Cal did a good job getting to 38-0. He made some mistakes though and this time the loss happened.
 
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CABVOL said:
Son in law is a huge UK fan and he said that Harrison has tweeted an apology and called Kaminsky, so it did happen.
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Me and my brothers have some questions for Coach Calipari. Is Riley Cooper....I mean Andrew Harrison, is he your kinda guy, Coach?
 
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Sad moment for Andrew. Sucks seeing a 7 foot gangly looking white dude beat you on a team full of underrated guys. No excuses for those words though. Stupid to say. Not a good way to leave possibly.
 
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