3B - Billy Amick - Clemson Transfer

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preacherman20 said:
Read. I said a pitcher cares more about losses than era. If you are 70 years old, you should not be putting words in my mouth. I fully understand this game but I also know that pitcher cares more about losing a game than keeping their era in tact. If you lose every game, no one cares what your era is. ERA is a huge part of how a pitcher is judged but not the only one. Wins and losses is probably greater than era. interesting because ba against has become a huge qualifier for a pitcher which I think is interesting. I think each pitcher and coach have different qualifiers as to what dictates a good pitcher. Coach A's is walks. You walk batters you don't see the mound.
As a coach, batting average was not as important as obp to me. I didn't care how you got on as long as you got on.
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Not quite 70….yet. LOL! But getting there.

BTW, the discussion was about the Amick transfer. I “fully understand” why you took it this direction but if you want to get back on topic at any point, feel free.

Anderson has a great philosophy. Walks lead to runs. A pitchers job is to prevent runs. Preventing runs keeps that ERA down. Low ERAs lead to wins. See how that works?

OBP has it’s place. But I would much rather a batter ground out to 2nd base with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs than take a walk. Hurts the old OBP but drives in a run. Give me the run every time.
 
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I know this is getting off topic, but just my two cents. Stats like OBP and QAB are usually more important than average. AVG is definitely a factor, but we look at overall production. Quality at bats (QAB) is a huge piece of that.

I can tell you that in pro ball no one really puts any weight on wins-losses, especially for relief guys. The reason is that W-L can be so skewed. A starter throws 4 shutout innings, a reliever throws the 5th only and gets the win. Or, a reliever throws one pitch in the top of the 9th, then his team wins in the bottom of the 9th, he gets the win. You get the picture. W-L really has very little bearing in the pros, I assure you. ERA is a factor, but BAA and FIP carry more weight.
 
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As far as pitchers go, in the pros, ERA is usually about 5th or 6th on the list of metrics. However, for the general public, the focus is usually ERA, because that’s what most understand. But not inside the organizations.
 
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6-4-3 said:
I know this is getting off topic, but just my two cents. Stats like OBP and QAB are usually more important than average. AVG is definitely a factor, but we look at overall production. Quality at bats (QAB) is a huge piece of that.

I can tell you that in pro ball no one really puts any weight on wins-losses, especially for relief guys. The reason is that W-L can be so skewed. A starter throws 4 shutout innings, a reliever throws the 5th only and gets the win. Or, a reliever throws one pitch in the top of the 9th, then his team wins in the bottom of the 9th, he gets the win. You get the picture. W-L really has very little bearing in the pros, I assure you. ERA is a factor, but BAA and FIP carry more weight.
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This is exactly why it is so shocking to hear someone who fully understands the game tout wins and losses as the be all end all. Great post.
 
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My guess is the poster is making a point that if it is bases loaded and no outs and all three runs score, the pitcher feels like he “lost the game”, even though he may not get tagged with with L in the official stats.
 
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6-4-3 said:
As far as pitchers go, in the pros, ERA is usually about 5th or 6th on the list of metrics. However, for the general public, the focus is usually ERA, because that’s what most understand. But not inside the organizations.
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Well my personal metric I look at of a pitcher is batting average against with runners in scoring position...don't know if that makes any sense or not...
 
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preacherman20 said:
Read. I said a pitcher cares more about losses than era. If you are 70 years old, you should not be putting words in my mouth. I fully understand this game but I also know that pitcher cares more about losing a game than keeping their era in tact. If you lose every game, no one cares what your era is. ERA is a huge part of how a pitcher is judged but not the only one. Wins and losses is probably greater than era. interesting because ba against has become a huge qualifier for a pitcher which I think is interesting. I think each pitcher and coach have different qualifiers as to what dictates a good pitcher. Coach A's is walks. You walk batters you don't see the mound.
As a coach, batting average was not as important as obp to me. I didn't care how you got on as long as you got on.
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DukeDaisySam said:
Not quite 70….yet. LOL! But getting there.

OBP has it’s place. But I would much rather a batter ground out to 2nd base with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs than take a walk. Hurts the old OBP but drives in a run. Give me the run every time.
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Of course you would... but if the bases were loaded would you still want the batter grounding out to 2nd or would you rather have the higher OBP batter taking a walk? The point is, baseball (perhaps more so than any other sport) is very situational, and the best coaches use statistics to use the best players given specific situations... whether it's pitchers, batters, fielders, or baserunners.
 
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