4 day work week

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SuzyVol said:
You sure about that? Or is it just that the NLRA affords no protection to supervisors and managers if they choose to organize a union?
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Obviously there can be some exceptions but NLRA doesn't cover supervisors (management). They would typically be considered part of the employer, where protection is afforded to employees.
 
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4 tens > 5 eights (for me at least. production has not dropped off and job satisfaction is way up)

Not every job can be performed as well by switching to 4 tens, but we are too consumed with how long it appears employees are spending working and less about productivity. 2 stories:

When I first went to salary, I was getting to work at 7 or 7:30, basically before anybody else. I'd take a half hour lunch, and then go home at 4. So they were getting 40-43 hours out of me. I was told it looked like I wasn't working because people would see that I was already home when people walked by my desk at 4:30...so I switched to the 35-hour work week everyone else was on, which was pretty much show up just before 9, take an hr lunch, and then leave at 5. My job satisfaction was also down because of the stupidity of it. Everybody lost.

My brother's first job out of college he figured out a smart way to do everything the person he replaced was doing in 1/4 of the time, so he asked for more work. They phased out another employee, gave him their work, and didn't give him a raise. So once he figured out a hack for those job duties, he kept his mouth shut and was just going into the office killing time 20 hrs a week, basically. When he went back to grad school, he convinced them to let him work remotely (this was 2012ish). He was able to get the work done, go to school, and play video games in the time that he was spending 40 hrs in the office.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
They are employed by the company, yes. Maybe labor law is different in Russia?
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Wow. You redirected the argument multiple times when you were proven wrong that a 4 day work week isn't feasible based on the situation and/or industry.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Wow. You redirected the argument multiple times when you were proven wrong that a 4 day work week isn't feasible based on the situation and/or industry.
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I have yet to be proven wrong that it isn't feasible based on situation and/or industry. No wonder you fall for the Kremlins propaganda so easily. I run a 24/7/365 operation. It runs on a 4 day work week just fine.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I have yet to be proven wrong that it isn't feasible based on situation and/or industry. No wonder you fall for the Kremlins propaganda so easily. I run a 24/7/365 operation. It runs on a 4 day work week just fine.
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I work in aviation. Our department is 24/7/365. Several of our groups work four 10 hour shifts. Mine has as long as I've been here. A few go with three 12 hour shifts.

We had a director around 13 years ago that for whatever reason wanted to scrap the 10 hour shifts. When he found out he'd need to hire more people to run five 8s with the same coverage he dropped the idea.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I have yet to be proven wrong that it isn't feasible based on situation and/or industry. No wonder you fall for the Kremlins propaganda so easily. I run a 24/7/365 operation. It runs on a 4 day work week just fine.
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So you can run that 4 day operation with half the amount of employees?
 
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DonjoVol said:
So you can run that 4 day operation with half the amount of employees?
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Yep. Just not as well. I had 92 employees last January. I have 47 now.

I am contemplating putting them on 8 hour days, but the gains dont really outweigh the outrage from the employees (which I will ignore).
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yep. Just not as well. I had 92 employees last January. I have 47 now.

I am contemplating putting them on 8 hour days, but the gains dont really outweigh the outrage from the employees (which I will ignore).
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You must work for the government. No private industry overlaps their employees 2 hours each shift. That's a lot of people to have working at the same time every day.
 
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VolStrom said:
You must work for the government. No private industry overlaps their employees 2 hours each shift. That's a lot of people to have working at the same time every day.
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Yep!

The overlap comes at strategic times when we are most busy (its a command & control facility dealing with the entire country). The only person sitting around is usually me and my management team :)
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yep!

The overlap comes at strategic times when we are most busy (its a command & control facility dealing with the entire country). The only person sitting around is usually me and my management team :)
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So no profit motive and unlimited money? Welcome to the imaginary world of the government.
 
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VolStrom said:
So no profit motive and unlimited money? Welcome to the imaginary world of the government.
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No profit motive, but not unlimited money. I have a strict budget. I deal with aircraft safety. So the motivation is not getting people dead.

See my post above about my staffing. 92 to 45ish in a year. Why? Money...Money for contractors to build new air traffic towers. Thanks Biden.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
No profit motive, but not unlimited money. I have a strict budget. I deal with aircraft safety. So the motivation is not getting people dead.

See my post above about my staffing. 92 to 45ish in a year. Why? Money...Money for contractors to build new air traffic towers. Thanks Biden.
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If you can cut your staff from 92 to 45 and still operate, you had 47 too many people, at least. I'm not here trying to bust your chops, I'm just saying that most companies make do with the bare minimum of people and I don't see the feds doing that at all.
 
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VolStrom said:
If you can cut your staff from 92 to 45 and still operate, you had 47 too many people, at least. I'm not here trying to bust your chops, I'm just saying that most companies make do with the bare minimum of people and I don't see the feds doing that at all.
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We can still operate but not as well. There is a huge difference. Lets say when I had 92 people we could address an issue immediately. Now with 45 it might take 30 minutes to an hour. That being said, it wasn't my choice, it was "politically appointed leadership"...

Outside of my group we do make by with the bare minimum in most areas.
 
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