4 day work week

[hog88]

Bro..I've lost 32 people in a year. I hired 1...I can't hire as many as I want. And the 4 day work week obviously wouldnt apply to a small business. Its a simple model most places with 12 people or more can implement.

I would love to have everyone on a 4 day schedule. It would take hiring another 10-12 employees to do that because our clients expect us 5 sometimes 6 days a week. It’s a great idea where it will work.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm right here, thank you very much.

Maybe one day you'll be open to hearing about how academia is full of disparate experiences, long hours, and knives in the back.

Probably because it’s controlled by women.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I would love to have everyone on a 4 day schedule. It would take hiring another 10-12 employees to do that because our clients expect us 5 sometimes 6 days a week. It’s a great idea where it will work.

It ain't for everyone and it absolutely should be some "mandated standard" from Uncle Sam.

 

[DonjoVol]

Look at you googling American restaurants and coming up with Waffle House!

Waffle house only needs a handful of employees. You can absolutely do it on a "4 day work week".

No it doesn't just need a "handful" of employees. Plus restaurant managers have never been abundant in supply. It's common for many to have to work a 6 day work week. You don't have the knowledge of many other industries and their operations.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Probably because it’s controlled by women.

 

[FLVOL_79]

No it doesn't just need a "handful" of employees. Plus restaurant managers have never been abundant in supply. It's common for many to have to work a 6 day work week. You don't have the knowledge of many other industries and their operations.

So are you saying they need a bunch of employees or not? You eluded to them not needing them. I'd wager a ruble that don't need more than 12. 2100 stores and 10,000 employees tells me they average 5 per store (I know thats not the true number Comrade).

Staff "heavy" during the day and evenings, light on nights. Pretty simple.

 

[DonjoVol]

So are you saying they need a bunch of employees or not? You eluded to them not needing them. I'd wager a ruble that don't need more than 12. 2100 stores and 10,000 employees tells me they average 5 per store (I know thats not the true number Comrade).

Staff "heavy" during the day and evenings, light on nights. Pretty simple.

So if there are only 2 managers on the schedule then how many days do you think they are working a week at the moment?

Restaurant managers often work 50 plus hours a week. Most don't work just 8 hour shifts then go home for the day. Same with managers at Dollar General. I knew someone that used to work for them and constantly worked 70 hour weeks.

 

[volfanhill]

No it doesn't just need a "handful" of employees. Plus restaurant managers have never been abundant in supply. It's common for many to have to work a 6 day work week. You don't have the knowledge of many other industries and their operations.

Any restaurant company that makes a manager work 6 days, outside of random emergency and then give the manager a third day off the next week, is a shat restaurant.

I can think of two times in the last year where I had to ask a manager to work six days in the past year. Both times they got three days off the next week . And both times it was the GM.

 

[DonjoVol]

2 hour overlap.

Example:

Day shift - 6-4
Eve shift - 2 - 12
Mid shift 10-8.

Our basic 8 hour coverage is:
8-4. 4-12. 12-8.

On 8 hours I do get more employees where I need them but with the 10 hour shifts I get a bit of overlap which lets me adjust hours to get a sort of waterfall of extra coverage during our busiest hours.

Could you do four 10 hour shifts with half the number of employees you have now? What about a third of the amount you have now?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Could you do four 10 hour shifts with half the number of employees you have now? What about a third of the amount you have now?

Wouldn't matter. I have a certain # of employees I need to have to just do our basic operations. 8 hours 5 days a week or 10 hours 4 days a week doesn't matter a certain point. Once I reach that number, which I will, everyone goes to 8 hours a day 5 days a week until I shut them down.

 

[FLVOL_79]

So if there are only 2 managers on the schedule then how many days do you think they are working a week at the moment?

Restaurant managers often work 50 plus hours a week. Most don't work just 8 hour shifts then go home for the day. Same with managers at Dollar General. I knew someone that used to work for them and constantly worked 70 hour weeks.

I don't give AF about managers. They work what they need to work to get the job done. Thats the way it is when you are a manager.

 

[VolStrom]

I don't give AF about managers. They work what they need to work to get the job done. Thats the way it is when you are a manager.

Managers exist in most companies to schedule meetings, attend meetings and decide when the next meeting will be. Otherwise, they show up to display displeasure at something being broken down and to demand that it get repaired yesterday.

 

[DonjoVol]

I don't give AF about managers. They work what they need to work to get the job done. Thats the way it is when you are a manager.

So we are in agreement? The 4 day workweek is based on the amount of employees and management as well as the industry. Glad we could agree on something.

 

[norrislakevol]

Managers exist in most companies to schedule meetings, attend meetings and decide when the next meeting will be. Otherwise, they show up to display displeasure at something being broken down and to demand that it get repaired yesterday.

Pretty much. Know who really loves meetings? The Japanese. I think it may even be part of their religion. I am at Denso a lot, and there are constant meetings scheduled for engineers and managers. I tell many of them that they might actually get some work done if they would just stay out of those mostly fruitless meetings. I may have one meeting every 3 months with the company I work for.

 

[DonjoVol]

Any restaurant company that makes a manager work 6 days, outside of random emergency and then give the manager a third day off the next week, is a shat restaurant.

I can think of two times in the last year where I had to ask a manager to work six days in the past year. Both times they got three days off the next week . And both times it was the GM.

The last restaurant I worked at I was an assistant and GM (thankfully just for a short period). I had to work 6 days a week on a regular basis. There towards the end I was working 6 days straight of closing shifts as the GM. Most GMs and other assistants and shift managers were working 6 days as well. And I've heard managers in other restaurants and retail having to do the same.

Apparently quite the number of shat restaurants out there. No wonder many of them have trouble staffing.

 

[volfanhill]

The last restaurant I worked at I was an assistant and GM (thankfully just for a short period). I had to work 6 days a week on a regular basis. There towards the end I was working 6 days straight of closing shifts as the GM. Most GMs and other assistants and shift managers were working 6 days as well. And I've heard managers in other restaurants and retail having to do the same.

Apparently quite the number of shat restaurants out there. No wonder many of them have trouble staffing.

Top talent will find places that will compensate them well and treat them right. That's how you keep them.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I am aiming for the Joe Biden work week. Work two days a week (quitting (putting on a “lid”)) at lunchtime before jetting off in my private taxpayer funded private 747 for my weekly vacation at my beach house)

 

[OrangeTsar]

The last restaurant I worked at I was an assistant and GM (thankfully just for a short period). I had to work 6 days a week on a regular basis. There towards the end I was working 6 days straight of closing shifts as the GM. Most GMs and other assistants and shift managers were working 6 days as well. And I've heard managers in other restaurants and retail having to do the same.

Apparently quite the number of shat restaurants out there. No wonder many of them have trouble staffing.

The other sad thing is that the quality is going downhill due to the staffing difficulties too. Almost every one of our favorite restaurants has noticeably worse food than pre pandemic.

 

[FLVOL_79]

So we are in agreement? The 4 day workweek is based on the amount of employees and management as well as the industry. Glad we could agree on something.

lol. no. Management aren't "employees". There is a difference.

 

[DonjoVol]

lol. no. Management aren't "employees". There is a difference.

Yes they actually are.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Yes they actually are.

Can managers be in a union? No. Thats because management is always considered a part of the company which is different than who the company employees. Welcome to the murky world of labor law.

 

[DonjoVol]

Can managers be in a union? No. Thats because management is always considered a part of the company which is different than who the company employees. Welcome to the murky world of labor law.

Still doesn't change the fact that managers are still employees of the company. Just pointing out where you were wrong.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I'm all for it, but its not something that will ever happen. Companies are too greedy to actually care about their employees. Hell my job just took our sick time away and now we have to use PTO. But we didn't get any extra PTO to cover the sick time we lost.

 

[SuzyVol]

Can managers be in a union? No. Thats because management is always considered a part of the company which is different than who the company employees. Welcome to the murky world of labor law.

You sure about that? Or is it just that the NLRA affords no protection to supervisors and managers if they choose to organize a union?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

.5 = unpaid break correct?

I think for most people 4 days is pretty easy. I also feel that most folks clamoring for this don't realize its still 40 hours a week, not 32.

As a manager I actually would find 4 days a week a tough prospect since I can usually use Friday (my wide open day) to actually get non labor related work done and I sure AF am not doing work outside of my normal duty hours...unless there is a full ground stop issued by the FAA..

Correct. I came into nursing just as they were switching to the 12 hour standard. That’s when I created the expression “you can do anything for 12 hours”. Really regret saying that.