50-50 chance of catastrophic radiation leak?

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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Nuke workers rushed to hospital | The Sun |News

Three workers were sent to the hospital with radiation sickness. Two of them were wearing DuPont Tyvek suits but were not wearing the boots and got radiation from standing in a puddle that had 400 millisieverts per hour while hooking up power to #3.
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The Tyvek suits are somewhat irrelevant. Those are anticontamination suits, but don't stop gamma radiation. It wouldn't have mattered if their boots were protected. Now, if their exposure was longer because they got contaminated, that would be a place where better protection from contamination would matter. The rest of their body wasn't protected by the suits while standing there.

That's 40 rem per hour. I hope they weren't there too long.
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TennTradition said:
The Tyvek suits are somewhat irrelevant. Those are anticontamination suits, but don't stop gamma radiation. It wouldn't have mattered if their boots were protected. Now, if their exposure was longer because they got contaminated, that would be a place where better protection from contamination would matter. The rest of their body wasn't protected by the suits while standing there.

That's 40 rem per hour. I hope they weren't there too long.
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Got a bad feeling about that one.
 
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Unfortunately, I don't think we have the whole story on this yet, and I don't think we will have it for quite some time. What we certainly know is, if there had been another major aftershock, Japan would be hurting for certain. When Thomas Midgley, an engineer, created CFCs he used Chlorine more by luck than by design. Had he been a chemist and used Bromine, we would all be dead now, and probably none the wiser.

If anything, the fact the Japanese have behaved the way they have towards this issue, and now that TEPCOs mendacity has been exposed regarding the plants when they were working, only compels us to ask serious, serious questions about our maturity as a culture and a species to handle the power of the atom. As we have now seen, having no clue about what to do with the spent fuel may cost Japan dearly, and that is just the tip of our collective irresponsibility.
 
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I think that a significant quantity of bad stuff went up with the explosion at reactor 3. The subsequent problems at the spent fuel ponds also led to a nasty, steady stream of radioactive release. What is crazy is that it almost looks like the spent fuel pond at reactor 3 is sitting completely dry in the aerial drone shots. I could be wrong, but it looks like a dry pond with debris scattered about it. If true, that's bad. And, this isn't even to mention what is going on at reactor 2. The torus is likely ruptured, leading to a lot of radioactive fluid (water and possibly melted core) flowing out of the primary containment. Pair this with lost seals and cracks (now confirmed) leading out of the reactor building, and no wonder the radioactivity counts in the ocean have been off the charts. Who needs to worry about the corium eating through the reactor building when you have cracks it can just flow through?
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Any word on how the two guys standing ankle deep in that highly radioactive water are doing?
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Time to take this yet TT.? :)
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I don't think so, but and unless a big plume drifts by, I don't see it being used much. I probably wouldnt dance in the rain in California though. I suppose it would be smart to keep an eye or two on the levels.
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Am I missing something? I keep hearing about how this is "overhyped." Is there someone saying Americans will be dying the streets? I haven't heard it.
 
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IPorange said:
Am I missing something? I keep hearing about how this is "overhyped." Is there someone saying Americans will be dying the streets? I haven't heard it.
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I don't think that the seriousness of the situation at the reactors is being overhyped at all. I think that concerns over fallout have been overhyped by some, but those are the people that were popping KI pills here in Anerica weeks ago.
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Very interesting. It would seem that this would be a risk when the core melts. The "corium" collects in the bottom of the reactor or the bottom of the containment, no longer in the proper controlled arrangement with control rods between the rods. What's interesting is that almost all the focus has been on cooling 3. If 1 is producing more heat, that really points to the containment failure at 3 being so bad that they have to focus cooling to prevent further spread of radiation. It also makes me wonder if the spray has nothing to do with cooling and everything to do with knocking down the radioactivity. They would rather have radioactive water to collect (or spill into the sea) than have it floating through the air.
 
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After reading the articles, the whole "equal to Chernobyl" thing seems overblown. Same on the disaster scale, but apparently Chernobyl still had much worse, more far-reaching effects than Fukushima Daiichi could have.
 
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milohimself said:
After reading the articles, the whole "equal to Chernobyl" thing seems overblown. Same on the disaster scale, but apparently Chernobyl still had much worse, more far-reaching effects than Fukushima Daiichi could have.
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I've tried to avoid the "I told you so" thread in this post, and you know that is hard for me.

However, this bourgeois meme doesn't fly. It had / has the potential to be much, much worse than Chernobyl thanks to the spent fuel rods. And as I said a month ago, the world is lucky it took Earth about a month to finish relaxing. These aftershocks three weeks ago could have really put the hurt on Japan.

Now, having said all of this, I've had some business in Russia recently, and I've been looking at the evacuation of Pripyat in light of the evacuation of New Orleans.

If we could study with full transparency both Chernobyl and Fukushima; if we can bring the nuclear industry outside the auspices of Capital (which it should be anyway since We the People created the industry); if we can have authentic democracy regarding spent fuel (not apparatchiks bought by Capital who represent "us" (sic)) - and if studies with full transparency tell us what we need to know about the ramifications of these accidents, then we can look at nuclear energy again.

But we must have PMMA-like transparency, and nuclear must be removed from the auspices of Capital. However, if we can believe the Russian / UN numbers, fewer people died from Chernobyl than die from any coal fired plant in the world....
 
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