50-50 chance of catastrophic radiation leak?

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lawgator1 said:
I saw last night on tv that the thyroid cancer rate among children and young adults in the affected area has been 500 times what would ordinarily be expected.

I wouldn't put much stock in anything Beck has to say, other than maybe where to get a good doughnut. Have to also confess that it makes me laugh that Mr. DoomsdayIsApproaching is trying to dumb this down. The irony on that is pretty thick.
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This wasn't Beck commenting, this was verbatim from a book he read on the radio:

Physics for Presidents, written by a nuclear physicists.

Amazon.com: Physics for Future Presidents (9781426624599): Richard (Richard Muller) Muller: Books
 
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oklavol said:
No offense, your just revealing your ignorance. The people at the facility at great risk because of their proximity, but a people a few miles away, are not because most of the radiation went straight up in the air, as I've already said.
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chances are they wont die. hell people survived in hiroshima. but as LG said they probably will have a much greater chance of cancer and other illnesses. if it was me, i wouldn't be taking the chance.
 
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I'd take 10 grand to go to Tokyo. As long as I can stay inside. Even if I was outside the ground level radiation levels are low.
 
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oklavol said:
No offense, your just revealing your ignorance. The people at the facility at great risk because of their proximity, but a people a few miles away, are not because most of the radiation went straight up in the air, as I've already said.
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Yea, I guess I am ignorant because A) I am not a Nuclear Scientist B) The Japanese have completely kept us in the dark on this. But When you got choppers dropping buckets of water and the US Military evacuating its military bases and advising people within 50 miles to leave, then yea its a big deal

If you are so confident, I am sure some land owners within 20KM of that plant are willing to sell for dirt cheap

And the Irony from Beck is very thick
 
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I would have no problem walking around Tokyo if I had a dosimeter. I can understand the anxiety of not having that information at hand.

There is, in many ways, an irrational fear of radiation from sources like this. But, that is what happens when you can't see, smell, or feel the threat. If we can avoid a huge fire or a big explosion, areas like Tokyo are going to be OK, IMO. 15 or so miles out is going to be affected in the long-term, regardless of what happens from here. The winds are helping a lot right now too. If things start getting kicked up, that will change things. But, I would be shocked if there are health effects outside Japan, unless the winds shift and eastern Asia gets hit.


Again, the spent fuel ponds are the wild card for me...it's harder for me to go through potential scenarios on it.
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Yea, I guess I am ignorant because A) I am not a Nuclear Scientist B) The Japanese have completely kept us in the dark on this. But When you got choppers dropping buckets of water and the US Military evacuating its military bases and advising people within 50 miles to leave, then yea its a big deal

If you are so confident, I am sure some land owners within 20KM of that plant are willing to sell for dirt cheap

And the Irony from Beck is very thick
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This wasn't Glenn Beck's opinion this was the opinion of the author of the book, who is an expert in this field.

It was written by a Nuclear Physicist at UC-Berkeley, who has researched Chernobyle extensively to write about it.

But you would rather join the lemmings, go ahead. Beck's viewpoint was the media is prone to the dramatic and instead of taking what they say at face value he decided to do some independent reading of his own, which led him to quote verbatim the book.
 
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How about this expert, who testified infront of congress yesterday

All water in the No. 4 reactor’s spent-fuel pond has drained, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Chairman Gregory Jaczko told a congressional panel in Washington March 15. Fuel rods stored in three reactors at the Tokyo Electric plant are exposed and releasing radiation
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The NRC’s Jaczko said radiation at the Japanese site is fluctuating and at peak levels “would be lethal within a fairly short period of time.”
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Tepco Says Water Cannons May Have Got Water Into Reactor - Bloomberg
 
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The only thing Japan has going for them at this moment is the wind. What a great situation to be in, banking on people lives on which way the wind blows
 
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The lethal levels are at the reactor site. Unlike Chernobyl, this plant doesn't have graphite fires dispersing the radiation sources throughout the atmosphere. There's still some dispersal but not even close to what they are seeing at the site.
 
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oklavol said:
This wasn't Glenn Beck's opinion this was the opinion of the author of the book, who is an expert in this field.

It was written by a Nuclear Physicist at UC-Berkeley, who has researched Chernobyle extensively to write about it.

But you would rather join the lemmings, go ahead. Beck's viewpoint was the media is prone to the dramatic and instead of taking what they say at face value he decided to do some independent reading of his own, which led him to quote verbatim the book.
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That expert is not commenting on this exact situation. This isn't a little deal.
 
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oklavol said:
This wasn't Glenn Beck's opinion this was the opinion of the author of the book, who is an expert in this field.

It was written by a Nuclear Physicist at UC-Berkeley, who has researched Chernobyle extensively to write about it.

But you would rather join the lemmings, go ahead. Beck's viewpoint was the media is prone to the dramatic and instead of taking what they say at face value he decided to do some independent reading of his own, which led him to quote verbatim the book.
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The part where I mentioned the irony in Beck the Doomsayer trying to dumb this down?

Just got more ironic right there.
 
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It's scary how many people can regularly listen to Beck and not see him for the phony he is.
 
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for you nuke guys, where were the spent fuel pools in reactors 1 and 3 when those explosions went off earlier in the week? I notice on the JAIF report that they say there is no info available for reactors 1 and 2 about the spent fuel ..

How much spent fuel is stored there compared to the amount of fuel in the reactors themselves?
 
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Nobody knows, because the company isnt saying anything. They are basically bankrupt. Stock is down like 80% and they have $90 Billion in debt and thats not even adding the liability. They could have 40 years worth of spent fuel rods on site

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...-radiation-detectors-20110317,0,4216493.story


Mayor Richard Daley acknowledged today passengers on a flight from Tokyo had set off radiation detectors at O’Hare International Airport, but he offered no details and said federal officials will be handling the situation.

“Of course the protection of the person coming off the plane is very important in regards to any radiation, especially within their families and anything else,” Daley said at a downtown news conference to discuss his trip to China this week.
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IPorange said:
It's scary how many people can regularly listen to Beck and not see him for the phony he is.
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dude has made it pretty clear that all he cares about is the $$$. i do think he's pretty bright and occasionaly comes up with some interesting stuff, but i always laugh about those from both sides that try to turn him into something he isn't and act like he is trying to bring down teh country or something.
 
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Daddy Gee said:
for you nuke guys, where were the spent fuel pools in reactors 1 and 3 when those explosions went off earlier in the week? I notice on the JAIF report that they say there is no info available for reactors 1 and 2 about the spent fuel ..

How much spent fuel is stored there compared to the amount of fuel in the reactors themselves?
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There was spent fuel being stored in the concrete storage pools in reactors 1-3. There have been no reports to suggest that the storage pools were destroyed in any of the blasts, though there is suspicion that the pool in reactor 3 was damaged during the blast, causing a leak. There was a lot more fuel in reactor 4's pool than the others. I've seen the numbers (or at least estimated), but I didn't commit them to memory. If I see them again, I'll post them.
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The IAEA is saying that Japan was able to lay the power line to reactor 2. This is interesting, because it is the only one of the three active reactors whose secondary containment hasn't been blown apart. This jives with my thoughts that 1 and 3 were sufficiently damaged that the control system was likely severly damaged. Much of the cooling hardware sits in the drywall, which was shielded from the blasts at 1 and 3 - but some of the control system was surely wiped out. Reactor 2 is an interesting case. While all the wiring us OK, it is suspected that there was an explosion inside it's primary containment. It will be interesting to see if that explosion damaged the cooling hardware. If not, they may be able to get one of these reactors under control - but I'm not sure where that leaves them with the others.
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Saw we sent the Predator over to take a look. I think that's where the confirmation that the spent fuel pools in Reactor 4 building are empty. Best use of the Predator I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The part where I mentioned the irony in Beck the Doomsayer trying to dumb this down?

Just got more ironic right there.
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How is that ironic? Questioning what the media tells you and doing your own reading and research is what everyone should be doing. I'm no fan of Beck but that was his message don't trust the media, the Doomsayer is your label.
 
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droski said:
dude has made it pretty clear that all he cares about is the $$$. i do think he's pretty bright and occasionaly comes up with some interesting stuff, but i always laugh about those from both sides that try to turn him into something he isn't and act like he is trying to bring down teh country or something.
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I never was able to get past the fact that in reality he's an admittingly uneducated alcoholic who managed to get a radio show. Occasionally he will bring someone interesting on his show or read something interesting. But in reality he's just a self-serving talking head on the radio like most of them.
 
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droski said:
dude has made it pretty clear that all he cares about is the $$$. i do think he's pretty bright and occasionaly comes up with some interesting stuff, but i always laugh about those from both sides that try to turn him into something he isn't and act like he is trying to bring down teh country or something.
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I wouldn't say that Beck is bringing the country down, but the people who take him seriously are. I can respect a cat trying to hustle.
 
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I dislike Beck as much as the next guy, but he's been good on the nuclear issue from what I've seen. I heard him talking about the differences between Chernobyl and this accident, also on the iodine tablets and the west coast fear. He was spot on, on those issues.
 
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