7 states thinking of lowering drinking age

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allvol123 said:
I'll take it you are at a loss of words or just can't comprehend anything I wrote.
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No, I just don't understand how a Barak Obama conversation has to do with 18 year olds drinking. Yes, I am raising my daughter just like my parents raised me. You are responsible for what you say and do in this world and you can't blame anyone or anything to get out of it.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not a lot since the ID laws went into effect. As far as college kids getting it for HS, that's still an issue but it's not the issue it was 20 years ago. I do agree with you guys that 17 and 18 year olds are going to drink, that's inevitable, but the main issue I have is that when you turn 18 you get that "I am unstoppable" feeling and think you can do anything. That's the biggest issue I have is them not knowing how to control themselves.
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I have never known a high schooler who wanted to drink but could not gain access to alcohol.
 
#53
#53
I never said anything about a Barack conversation, I used a post you made in a Barack thread in here. Principles are more than capable of being used across subjects.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not a lot since the ID laws went into effect. As far as college kids getting it for HS, that's still an issue but it's not the issue it was 20 years ago. I do agree with you guys that 17 and 18 year olds are going to drink, that's inevitable, but the main issue I have is that when you turn 18 you get that "I am unstoppable" feeling and think you can do anything. That's the biggest issue I have is them not knowing how to control themselves.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

funny stuff man. funny funny stuff. It's still extremely accessible to high schoolers. You're foolish to believe otherwise
 
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therealUT said:
So, I assume that you believe in some kind of graduated license program for driving. Apparently, in order that by the time these kids drive independently, they are better prepared. Yet, not a single person in America seems to want kids to get accustomed to alcohol as they grow up? Sound thinking...
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It's kinda like this for me TRUT. I don't want to have to worry about me or my family getting involved in a wreck with a drunk adolescent teenager that thinks it's cool to drive around and drink. It creates more social problems than just the whole accident thing. I don't have a problem with your guys opinions, I just want to make sure mine is heard.
 
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volfanbill said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

funny stuff man. funny funny stuff. It's still extremely accessible to high schoolers. You're foolish to believe otherwise
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No I am not naive or foolish. I know people still buy it for them and parents still supply them with it. I do know however that store are MUCH less likely to sell it to them than they were 10 years ago.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It's kinda like this for me TRUT. I don't want to have to worry about me or my family getting involved in a wreck with a drunk adolescent teenager that thinks it's cool to drive around and drink. It creates more social problems than just the whole accident thing. I don't have a problem with your guys opinions, I just want to make sure mine is heard.
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you really think there is that big of a difference between a 19 year old driver who got drunk and a 22 year old college senior who thinks the world is his driving around drunk?
 
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Speaking of the Obama subject AV, I find it very ironic that you don't like or support Obama, but your avatar has a cartoon version of one of his biggest supporters in it. Didn't know if you knew or not, so I'm just throwing it out there. :p
 
#61
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volfanbill said:
you really think there is that big of a difference between a 19 year old driver who got drunk and a 22 year old college senior who thinks the world is his driving around drunk?
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Sure. Look, like I said some 18 year olds would probably be responsible with it, but the majority will not. It's just a maturity issue with me and I don't consider the majority of 18 year olds mature enough to handle something like that. It also doesn't make it right that the 22 year old would do it either, but I would say a higher number of 22 year olds would be more responsible.
 
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#62
That avatar was forced on me but I keep it because I like it. The humor of it matches my personality.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Sure. Look, like I said some 18 year olds would probably be responsible with it, but the majority will not. It's just a maturity issue with me and I don't consider the majority of 18 year olds mature enough to handle something like that. It also doesn't make it right that the 22 year old would do it either, but I would say a higher number of 22 year olds would be more responsible.
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Unless times have changed significantly, I would label most high school seniors as more responsible and mature than most college sophomores.

My argument is this: either make alcohol illegal or allow legal adults (18 year olds, last time I checked) to consume it and legal guardians to decide when, where, and if they want their drinking. That, my friend, is called liberty.
 
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therealUT said:
Unless times have changed significantly, I would label most high school seniors as more responsible and mature than most college sophomores.

My argument is this: either make alcohol illegal or allow legal adults (18 year olds, last time I checked) to consume it and legal guardians to decide when, where, and if they want their drinking. That, my friend, is called liberty.
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Most high school seniors haven't even done their own laundry before. I understand what you are saying though.
 
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StunnA N' Orange said:
Several of my fake identifications are laughing at you.
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If you want to spend the money to get the fake ID more power to you. I would say that 1 out of MAYBE 300 has one of those. So still it's not as widespread as you may think it is. It exists more in bigger cities, and I would say you got yours somewhere around Nashville. Also, 10 years ago stores didn't ID pretty much every time like they do now. I bought cigarettes at 16.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you want to spend the money to get the fake ID more power to you. I would say that 1 out of MAYBE 300 has one of those. So still it's not as widespread as you may think it is. It exists more in bigger cities, and I would say you got yours somewhere around Nashville. Also, 10 years ago stores didn't ID pretty much every time like they do now. I bought cigarettes at 16.
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most of my friends had fake id's in college. in small towns you just go to the local liquor store that you know sells to minors. on the other had i don't see much benefit to lowering the drinking age.
 
#73
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droski said:
most of my friends had fake id's in college. in small towns you just go to the local liquor store that you know sells to minors. on the other had i don't see much benefit to lowering the drinking age.
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Agreed. The only positive I could see in it is that it would be a step in the direction of the government not thinking they have to babysit society. So that I could go for.
 
#74
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I don't know if anyone brought this up yet, but in many southern states the drinking laws once required men to be 21 but ladies could be as young as 16.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you want to spend the money to get the fake ID more power to you. I would say that 1 out of MAYBE 300 has one of those. So still it's not as widespread as you may think it is. It exists more in bigger cities, and I would say you got yours somewhere around Nashville. Also, 10 years ago stores didn't ID pretty much every time like they do now. I bought cigarettes at 16.
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Not one of them cost me a single dime. If given the right resources, they're relatively easy to create.
 
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