8 Team Playoffs

#127
#127
peaygolf said:
I’m sick and tired of all the bs talk about having to have the “best” 4,6,8,16 teams in a playoff. Every other college sport has teams QUALIFY for the national championship. Why does Football have to have people pick. It’s impossible. Win your freaking conference and be done with it. If you aren’t a conference champ.......you’re screwed!

Nobody cries/whines about college baseball, basketball, softball, soccer, golf, etc.........teams qualify for those championships. FCS, D2, D3, NAIA does it.

Why is FBS so special? Bowl $$$$$.
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Preach it!
 
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May be unpopular but I think they should’ve kept the BCS ranking system instead of using a committee. You could’ve still used the top 4 teams from the rankings and it eliminates human bias.
 
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VolPack22 said:
May be unpopular but I think they should’ve kept the BCS ranking system instead of using a committee. You could’ve still used the top 4 teams from the rankings and it eliminates human bias.
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The BCS is a combination of the different polls, combined with computer rankings. There's still quite a bit of human bias. The only way to eliminate it is to go with conference champions.
 
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I'm all for a 8 team playoff.

ND must join a conference, PERIOD!

Nobody gets a bye week, that's unfair.

5 Conference champs and the best 3 other teams.

More games = more $$$ and we all love to watch more games.

8 teams is enough because you just can't drag out the season forever.

Renegotiate the contracts and get it done!

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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VolPack22 said:
May be unpopular but I think they should’ve kept the BCS ranking system instead of using a committee. You could’ve still used the top 4 teams from the rankings and it eliminates human bias.
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The BCS was 2/3 human, so human bias was always a part of the process. And the 1/3 that was not human was awful.
 
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#135
It should have always been!! I’ve Been screaming this since day 1!! Take all the BCS crap out of it mostly.
Take 5 conference champions. This makes conf champ mean something even to a 8-4 Pac 10 team or other. Leaves 3 at large for the leftovers. Maybe a 12-0 group of 5 or major conf team that lost a squeaker on a bad day. You really want the best team? Make them win in an 8 team playoff. 3 games in a row vs a patsy that shouldn’t be there like ND and then one lucky game with an injured QB or something. ND would be a good choice this year for first round warmup test but not semifinal. They are barely better than Vandy!

Pleas finally let them do something with common sense!

For UT it takes some pressure off Alabama game also - just get back to competing in East and to the champ game and you have a fair shot to win it on the field even if your screwed by media crap in early ratings war for the first top 10 poll. Will make a lot of fans happy. Every year regardless of preseason posturing you have a chance to win it all on the field.

Go Vols!
 
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Devo182 said:
IF we are going to stick with a system determined by voting and dogmatism (conference champs get in, even a 4 loss Northwestern team??), let's at least minimize the dogmatism and not guatantee a g5 spot. Many years the best g5 is 10th, 15th, 20th. Why guarantee any spot?

Which brings me back to...giving them their own ring. Top 8 P5s makes fine sense. Still, why have conference championships, THEN determine 8 teams? Might as well be more efficient and build the conference championship games into the overall system. Stop the "default play-in games" and literally make them play-in games.
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Sure, even a four loss Northwestern team. But how often will a P5 champion have four losses over the season? Most have two losses on their record after the CG game:

2013: Stanford, 11-2, #5
2015: Stanford 11-2, #6
2016: Oklahoma 10-2, #7 (though no Big 12 CG at the time)
2017: USC 11-2, #8

This year being an outlier with Washington having a 10-3 record and ending up at #9. Otherwise, any kind of playoff system will have to take into consideration having a two loss team going in regardless of a CG.

My thing? Give the G5 schools a legitimate shot at it by guaranteeing them a spot in the playoff system rather than wonder "can they beat the big boys out there." The big "names" in G5 schools over the past ten years have been Boise, UCF and Houston. All of them beat legitimate P5 teams either during the season or at their Bowl game. Give them a shot at upsetting another P5 team in the playoffs. They'll either play big boy football or they won't.
 
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TenUhSee said:
discussion is heating up again to expand the current 4 team college football playoffs to 8 teams and support is growing to make this happen.

is this a good or bad idea ..... whats your opinion ?
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I think they should expand it to 128 so we can say we almost made it.
 
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Devo182 said:
IF we are going to stick with a system determined by voting and dogmatism (conference champs get in, even a 4 loss Northwestern team??), let's at least minimize the dogmatism and not guatantee a g5 spot. Many years the best g5 is 10th, 15th, 20th. Why guarantee any spot?

Which brings me back to...giving them their own ring. Top 8 P5s makes fine sense. Still, why have conference championships, THEN determine 8 teams? Might as well be more efficient and build the conference championship games into the overall system. Stop the "default play-in games" and literally make them play-in games.
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FYI and a little research because I'm bored and can't sleep, but the highest rated G-5 teams going back to 2013 (I use that year since the Big East imploded the year before) ended up beating a top 10 team in their bowl game every year except Western Michigan in 2016.

2013: #15 UCF defeated #6 Baylor 52-42
2014: #20 Boise State defeated #10 Arizona 38-30
2015: #18 Houston defeated #9 FSU 38-24
2016: #15 Western Michigan lost to #8 Wisconsin 24-16
2017: #8 UCF defeated #7 Auburn 34-27

80% success rate going against P5 top 10 teams in Bowl games.
 
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#140
For a long time I liked the idea of 8. Still do, just less so. IMO at least the top 6 in most years have a chance .... but 8 gave good balance and the bowls stayed relevant. That said I'm good, today, with the top 6. After that I see a drop off between them and 7+. They have no business tangling with the top two or three.

To me right now Notre Dame isn't a top 4 team, and we will see if that's right shortly. GA is, even OSU. Top 6 would cover that up.
 
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zaqhhh said:
The more teams added, the more the bowls become obsolete which should not happen.

The system is not broke, in fact it's pretty damn effective. Keep it at 4.
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Wahhh 6-6 teams need their egos rubbed. lmfao. This should not take precedence over finding the best team.

In fact, the more playoff teams, the more games late in the season actually matter.
 
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VolAllen said:
Well, I mean, how often did the best team really not get to play for the championship? Back then it was basically a 2 team playoff with #3 crying. Now it’s #5 crying. It will never end.
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Completely false. Did you live back then? Seeing #1 play #8 or #5 in a bowl was not uncommon. Just look at 1997, the last pre-bcs year. Nebraska didn't play undefeated Michigan, no they played us.

Dumb, terrible system left up to VOTERS. This is literally the only sport that leaves it up to voters and doesn't just let teams play it out on the field. It's the dumbest system in existence. It's no mystery why no other sport does things CFB's way.
 
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peaygolf said:
I’m sick and tired of all the bs talk about having to have the “best” 4,6,8,16 teams in a playoff. Every other college sport has teams QUALIFY for the national championship. Why does Football have to have people pick. It’s impossible. Win your freaking conference and be done with it. If you aren’t a conference champ.......you’re screwed!

Nobody cries/whines about college baseball, basketball, softball, soccer, golf, etc.........teams qualify for those championships. FCS, D2, D3, NAIA does it.

Why is FBS so special? Bowl $$$$$.
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Exactly. Bowls have the traditionalists by the balls. Worse yet, they are dogmatically attached to these money bowls, in spite of finding out who the best team is using a rules-based system.
 
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bamawriter said:
Except all of those other sports have massive playoff fields that go way beyond the automatic qualifiers. Creating such a field would require an overhaul of the entire sport of FBS football.
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Strawman argument. Pirate literally just posted an idea a couple pages back that took minimal reorganization.
 
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zaqhhh said:
The more teams added, the more the bowls become obsolete which should not happen.

The system is not broke, in fact it's pretty damn effective. Keep it at 4.
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lol yeah a system that automatically disqualifies HALF of its teams, rewards independents like ND and punishes best-conference teams (UGA this year), AND leaves it all to human voters is GREAT and follows the best practices of other top sports.

/blue font

Man, you bowl cucks are pathetically loyal to "the system".
 
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Grand Vol said:
FYI and a little research because I'm bored and can't sleep, but the highest rated G-5 teams going back to 2013 (I use that year since the Big East imploded the year before) ended up beating a top 10 team in their bowl game every year except Western Michigan in 2016.

2013: #15 UCF defeated #6 Baylor 52-42
2014: #20 Boise State defeated #10 Arizona 38-30
2015: #18 Houston defeated #9 FSU 38-24
2016: #15 Western Michigan lost to #8 Wisconsin 24-16
2017: #8 UCF defeated #7 Auburn 34-27

80% success rate going against P5 top 10 teams in Bowl games.
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Good research. Still, dogmatism shouldn't preside. The less the better. If there is an undefeated g5, they will get voted in. No need to guarantee a #20 team, it will just lead to the downfall of the system, which might be a decent one.

Fwiw, I still think they should have their own title. They are too far separated to be included with P5s imo.
 
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#150
What’s the over/under on how many games UCF wins next year. I could bet 1,000 they not going undefeated a 3rd straight year. My prediction for them next year is 9-3...
 
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