8 Team Playoffs

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I would like to see an eight team playoff five major conference and three wild cards then seeded and play for the National title.
 
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GlockVol said:
8 game playoff is too much to expect from student athletes. Cut a couple of the regular season games then maybe
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Going from 4 to 8 is only 1 extra game likely for the 4 teams already in it. It’s a pretty minimal increase assuming you spread them out a little instead of doing it all after bowl season
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
If you have 4 teams, then #5 is mad and "deserves to be in."

If you have 6 teams, then #7 is mad and "deserves to be in."

If you have 8 teams, then #9 is mad and "deserves to be in."

If you have 64 teams, then #65 is mad and "deserves to be in."

Until there is enough evidence to show that they can expand and have entertaining games all throughout, and it makes logistical and financial sense to do so, it won't happen. Adding another round is adding another week to the schedule, which adds more to the student-athletes.

I just don't see them changing for a while. It is what it is. And it's still better than the BCS. There is no perfect system when you have a game like football that requires at least a week turnaround. The CFP cannot be like March Madness, and the season isn't long enough for it to be like the NFL.

I'd love to see it expand, but just don't think it's going to happen for a while.
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8 is a good number. It'll cover all the big conferences and give a "Hoosiers" (basketball movie reference) team a shot. If you can't make the top 8, then you don't need to be there, and there should be no bitching. UGA hung with Bama until the 4th quarter. I'd like to see them in the mix and UT next year. ;')
 
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So hypothetically, with an 8 team playoff.. if all 5 conference champions were locks and you make the other three "wild cards". How do you determine the wild card teams? Do you keep the same playoff ranking and committee system that we have in place now and use the top three ranked non-conference champions?
 
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I think you just take the best 8 regardless of conference. You don't want a 4 or 5 loss team in there just because they won their conference title game.
 
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i'm against it. you expand the post season like this with out some type of automatic qualifiers, and leave it up to some subjective ranking like the play off committee, and you devalue the regular season, and potentially winning your conference.

imagine a #1 Alabama playing in the SEC title game, that's in the play off regardless of the outcome of the c'ship game, maybe they're playing a team they've already played in the regular season in TN or their other East opponent, and that team is also highly ranked and likely one of the best 8 teams (like UGA or LSU this year)....

then you have the potential for 2 sec teams to have play each other 3 times. regular season, sec title game and national play off.

that scneario could exist for any power 5 conference really.

so your reward for beating that other SEC foe, either once or twice, is possibly to have to beat them again in order to win a national title?

the first time, or first two times wasn't good enough? lol.

where this 4 team play off got screwed up is when they changed the selection criteria for the 4 teams. the issue with the BCS wasn't the way the teams were selected, it was that only 2 teams got to play.

i think had htey kept the BCS formula as the selection criteria, and just let the top 4 teams play each other, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

anyway, if you have a play off expansion, i'd say do 6 teams.

5 p5 conference champions, and the highest ranked group of 5 conf champion.

two highest ranked teams get a bye. 3 v. 6 4 v. 5, then winners play 1 and 2, and winners play for the title.

and that means you make ND joing a conference or gtfo. and you maintain the regular season, and conf championships.

and if Northwestern happened to beat OSU in the big 10 title game, tough.
 
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I’d be okay with expanding. No more than 8 ever.

If it was 8 this year we’d probably have UGA, OSU, UCF, plus another (LSU??).
 
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volfannbama said:
So which teams won their conference with 4-5 losses?
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yeah, it doesn't happen.

but if it did....tough noogie. you had your shot, and you probably should have beaten the 4-5 loss team in your c'ship game....and if you couldn't beat THAT team, how are YOU gonna win a natty?

lol.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, it doesn't happen.

but if it did....tough noogie. you had your shot, and you probably should have beaten the 4-5 loss team in your c'ship game....and if you couldn't beat THAT team, how are YOU gonna win a natty?

lol.
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So who has won a conference with 4-5 losses?

And yes, we should settle things on the field. Want to play for a NC? Dont lose to 4-5 loss teams.
 
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volfannbama said:
So who has won a conference with 4-5 losses?

And yes, we should settle things on the field. Want to play for a NC? Dont lose to 4-5 loss teams.
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i don't know. it doesn't really happen.

Northwestern could have been that this year. but wasn't. cause they aren't as good as OSU.

lol.
 
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To expound a bit on my point about shrinking to 4 conferences:

If the Big XII dies, and the remaining four leagues do a little bit of shuffling (maybe separate the wheat from the chaff a bit), you actually come up with the perfect 8-team playoff. This playoff requires no human intervention, even when it comes to seeding.

Quarterfinals = 4 conference title games.

Semifinals = Big 10 champ VS Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC champ VS ACC champ in the Sugar

Finals = Winners play at sites that are up for bid like they are now

How is that not the perfect solution?
 
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bamawriter said:
To expound a bit on my point about shrinking to 4 conferences:

If the Big XII dies, and the remaining four leagues do a little bit of shuffling (maybe separate the wheat from the chaff a bit), you actually come up with the perfect 8-team playoff. This playoff requires no human intervention, even when it comes to seeding.

Quarterfinals = 4 conference title games.

Semifinals = Big 10 champ VS Pac 12 champ in the Rose, SEC champ VS ACC champ in the Sugar

Finals = Winners play at sites that are up for bid like they are now

How is that not the perfect solution?
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it solves it, but it's just not realistic. no way all the universities and conferences agree to it.

and as much as i hate to say it, ND is a giant fly in the ointment. NBC isn't going to let them just get out of their contracts to joing a conference with it's own TV rights, and while the ACC has gotten on it's knees just to have the privelage of having ND play 5 ACC opponents a year, tie in to their bowl structure and be a full time member in baskeball, they aren't going let ND come in and keep all that TV revenue to themselves, AND share the ACC TV revenue, especially with the ACC getting it's on network modeled after the SEC Network.

anyway. that would be the way to do it. but that has a lot of moving parts, and is years away from potentially being a reality.

what we'll get is an 8 team play off with a committee picking the participants. and it won't be as good as everybody thinks.
 
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jakez4ut said:
it solves it, but it's just not realistic. no way all the universities and conferences agree to it.

and as much as i hate to say it, ND is a giant fly in the ointment. NBC isn't going to let them just get out of their contracts to joing a conference with it's own TV rights, and while the ACC has gotten on it's knees just to have the privelage of having ND play 5 ACC opponents a year, tie in to their bowl structure and be a full time member in baskeball, they aren't going let ND come in and keep all that TV revenue to themselves, AND share the ACC TV revenue, especially with the ACC getting it's on network modeled after the SEC Network.

anyway. that would be the way to do it. but that has a lot of moving parts, and is years away from potentially being a reality.

what we'll get is an 8 team play off with a committee picking the participants. and it won't be as good as everybody thinks.
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Your point about Notre Dame is a good one, but I think it can, and will, be overcome. Notre Dame's contract with NBC is more about ND wanting to exercise independence. It's not a sweet deal as far as money. Shoot, Vandy makes more money of media rights than Notre Dame. All contracts eventually expire.
 
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bamawriter said:
Your point about Notre Dame is a good one, but I think it can, and will, be overcome. Notre Dame's contract with NBC is more about ND wanting to exercise independence. It's not a sweet deal as far as money. Shoot, Vandy makes more money of media rights than Notre Dame. All contracts eventually expire.
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i don't know when the NBC contract dies, and i don't know when the ACC or any conferences contracts are up either, but timing of tall that would be important.

but ND does get to keep ALL of the revenue from NBC....no sharing involved.

there was a time i thought it was going to move in the direction you described when the Big 12 was on life support, but they seem to have rebounded, and now seems like a viable conference again.

Texas also has their network, and isn't sharing any revenue from it with conference members.

anyway, there's a lot of moving parts to all that, and it would take a lot to get all that to come together.

it makes the most sense, and would work the best.

which means it's never gonna happen.
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
Bama vs UCF (they wanted a chance against the big boys, they got it)
Clemson vs OSU
Notre Dame vs Georgia
Oklahoma vs Washington


Who doesn't want to see those?
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You got the right teams but I think the matchups need to go off of their final ranking.

Bama vs Washington
Clemson vs UCF
Notre Dame vs OSU
Oklahoma vs UGA

Top 4 seeds get a home game for the 1st round then use the bowls for the next 2 rounds. Also need a rule that the top 4 have to be from 4 different conferences / an independent.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't know when the NBC contract dies, and i don't know when the ACC or any conferences contracts are up either, but timing of tall that would be important.

but ND does get to keep ALL of the revenue from NBC....no sharing involved.
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True. But again, even that unsplit sum is less than what every SEC and Big 10 member gets.

there was a time i thought it was going to move in the direction you described when the Big 12 was on life support, but they seem to have rebounded, and now seems like a viable conference again.

Texas also has their network, and isn't sharing any revenue from it with conference members.
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The Big XII is still on life support. Their rights package ends around 2025, and I can't imagine that either ESPN or Fox will want to re-up at the current rates. And the money pit that is the Longhorn Network has next to no chance of surviving that round of negotiations. Keep in mind that it would benefit the networks if OU and Texas go somewhere else, and the Big XII contracts simply disappear.
 
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