8 UN employees killed as revenge for burning of Koran

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tigervol9802 said:
So it's not the people who killed them workers fault?

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Of course it is.

But that doesn't mean its okay to do something that is intentionally designed to antagonize them, serves no legitimate purpose whatsoever, and is done expressly to lead to this reaction.

Part of what delegitimizes terrorism is the notion that sometimes people make political statements in hopes of causing a reaction that they can use to justify something far worse. That is EXACTLY what Jones is up to here. He got his wish.

Now let's watch the anti-Muslim crowd try to portray all Muslims as supporting this so as to justify broadening the war to encompass all of Islam.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Of course it is.

But that doesn't mean its okay to do something that is intentionally designed to antagonize them, serves no legitimate purpose whatsoever, and is done expressly to lead to this reaction.

Part of what delegitimizes terrorism is the notion that sometimes people make political statements in hopes of causing a reaction that they can use to justify something far worse. That is EXACTLY what Jones is up to here. He got his wish.

Now let's watch the anti-Muslim crowd try to portray all Muslims as supporting this so as to justify broadening the war to encompass all of Islam.
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And you know Rev. Jones intentions how?

Client? Go to his church? Childhood friend?
 
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yes becuase surely without the rev we wouldn't be seeing violence on the infidels.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
And you know Rev. Jones intentions how?

Client? Go to his church? Childhood friend?
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Please. If you are not willing to concede he did this precisely to cause some heinous reaction so as to support his contention that Islam = Evil then you are just ignoring the obvious.
 
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the fact you would condemn a US preacher before the actual killers speaks volumes

lawgator1 said:
But that doesn't mean its okay to do something that is intentionally designed to antagonize them, serves no legitimate purpose whatsoever, and is done expressly to lead to this reaction.
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so you don't agree that exercising his rights serves any purpose?

lawgator1 said:
What is the value to burning 50 Korans? What possible purpose does that serve?
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who cares? Nothing he did led to the death of these people.
 
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I agree with LG, Rev. Jones is an idiot and deserves blame.

(1) he is a pastor and in IMO shouldn't be spreading hate
(2) he provoked a huge population that has proven to have violent, irrational people among their ranks

Calling Jones an idiot doesn't absolve the attackers of any fault.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Please. If you are not willing to concede he did this precisely to cause some heinous reaction so as to support his contention that Islam = Evil then you are just ignoring the obvious.
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It's actually fairly logical and probable that he did this because he wanted to make the statement that America is a "Christian nation" and wasn't really trying to provoke any recourse at all.

So I guess Rev. Jones is racist too?
 
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utvolpj said:
the fact you would condemn a US preacher before the actual killers speaks volumes



so you don't agree that exercising his rights serves any purpose?



who cares? Nothing he did led to the death of these people.
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I asked what the purpose was to burn 50 Korans.

No one has answered.

As for Jones, well, he and his massive warped ego will have to answer to his Maker some day.

Honestly, I am appalled that anyone would not be really upset by what Jones did here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I asked what the purpose was to burn 50 Korans.

No one has answered.

As for Jones, well, he and his massive warped ego will have to answer to his Maker some day.

Honestly, I am appalled that anyone would not be really upset by what Jones did here.
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it did serve the purpose of showing how big of wackjobs our buddies in teh middle east are.
 
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nbakerld said:
I agree with LG, Rev. Jones is an idiot and deserves blame.

(1) he is a pastor and in IMO shouldn't be spreading hate
(2) he provoked a huge population that has proven to have violent, irrational people among their ranks

Calling Jones an idiot doesn't absolve the attackers of any fault.
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Agree.

I'm not saying that the attackers are not to blame. They did what they did.

But you can't just pass off what Jones did as okay because of the massive overreaction HE INTENDED TO CAUSE.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I asked what the purpose was to burn 50 Korans.

No one has answered.
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no one answered because it doesn't matter

lawgator1 said:
As for Jones, well, he and his massive warped ego will have to answer to his Maker some day.

Honestly, I am appalled that anyone would not be really upset by what Jones did here.
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being upset still wouldn't mean he did anything wrong
 
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Are you telling me that the bugger eaters wouldn't have jumped at the chance to kill some "infidels" if some rev wouldn't have burned the Koran? Give me a freaking break dude. All they're doing is putting a label to the killings to justify their actions.
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droski said:
it did serve the purpose of showing how big of wackjobs our buddies in teh middle east are.
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So you agree he intended to cause them to do something like this? To make a broader political point?

Just because you agree with the broader political point is no reason to in any way look the other way for Jones' role in the death of 8 people.
 
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Jones was in no way responsible for this. They could have found justification in any number of things
 
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utvolpj said:
Jones was in no way responsible for this. They could have found justification in any number of things
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The protest was called together because of the actions of Jones. It escalated to this.

It is exactly what Jones wanted.

He should be in prison.
 
#25
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LG is like an abusive wife blaming the McDonalds drive thru screwup for the ensuing ass kicking by her husband.
 
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