8 UN employees killed as revenge for burning of Koran

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#51
nbakerld said:
Yeah, but everybody jumped on LG for calling him an idiot, and it looks like you agree that Jones is an idiot. That's all I'm saying too. He deserves blame and criticism, but I don't think there are any grounds for prosecution of any crime. People jumped all over LG for just calling Jones an idiot in the first place.
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Whoa! Nobody jumped him for callin Jones and idiot. The "blame" (and not even the criticism) is the issue.
 
#53
#53
droski said:
i'm not sure the average fundamental muslim would agree that a picture is just a picture.
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I understand what you are saying, but there is a huge difference. Islamic radicals are going to react how they are going to react, but the intent of the provocation in this instance is the issue, not the reaction by Islam.
 
#55
#55
I say send the good reverand over to explain what his intentions were.
 
#56
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nbakerld said:
I understand what you are saying, but there is a huge difference. Islamic radicals are going to react how they are going to react, but the intent of the provocation in this instance is the issue, not the reaction by Islam.
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i've pointed it out 3 times in this thread, but south park specifically tried to provoke as well, but i don't see people slamming them.
 
#57
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nbakerld said:
I understand what you are saying, but there is a huge difference. Islamic radicals are going to react how they are going to react, but the intent of the provocation in this instance is the issue, not the reaction by Islam.
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how do you know what Jones intended? How do you prove intent? Did Jones preface the exercising of his 1st Amendment rights by saying that he hoped that the ensuing protests would lead to the deaths of UN workers?

your defense of LG's position here is as inexplicable as LG's position itself.
 
#59
#59
droski said:
the first two replies of this thread specifically complain about the blame issue.
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lawgator1 said:
Good job, Rev. Jones.

Idiot.
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It appears to me that he called him an idiot for provoking the incident. I don't see him actually putting the blame on Jones and absolving the radicals which is how people reacted to this post.

utvolpj said:
please explain where Rev Jones was in the wrong
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tigervol9802 said:
So it's not the people who killed them workers fault?

:blink:
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#60
#60
droski said:
i've pointed it out 3 times in this thread, but south park specifically tried to provoke as well, but i don't see people slamming them.
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Was there any blowback for what South Park did? Weird that there wasn't because according to some of you, Islam is waiting for any excuse to attack.
 
#61
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nbakerld said:
It appears to me that he called him an idiot for provoking the incident. I don't see him actually putting the blame on Jones and absolving the radicals which is how people reacted to this post.
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the only person he mentioned was Jones and said he caused this. There was absolutely no condemnation of anyone but Jones in the OP
 
#62
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MG1968 said:
how do you know what Jones intended? How do you prove intent? Did Jones preface the exercising of his 1st Amendment rights by saying that he hoped that the ensuing protests would lead to the deaths of UN workers?

your defense of LG's position here is as inexplicable as LG's position itself.
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I don't know what Jones' end game was, but it wasn't out of love. It wasn't innocent.
 
#63
#63
nbakerld said:
Yeah, but everybody jumped on LG for calling him an idiot, and it looks like you agree that Jones is an idiot. That's all I'm saying too. He deserves blame and criticism, but I don't think there are any grounds for prosecution of any crime. People jumped all over LG for just calling Jones an idiot in the first place.
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He deserves criticism, not blame.
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#64
#64
nbakerld said:
Was there any blowback for what South Park did? Weird that there wasn't because according to some of you, Islam is waiting for any excuse to attack.
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the network edited the episode and frankly i'm not sure many islamic terrorists caught the episode.
 
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#65
by the way, a single Koran was burned and that happened on March 21st.

now explain to me how the UN deaths are a direct result of something that happened 11 days ago.
 
#66
#66
nbakerld said:
I am not saying that at all. I don't give a damn if you have a picture of Mohomed, and that has nothing to do with this scenario. A picture is just a picture. It's not even close to the same act as burning 50 Qu'rans. Why go out of your way to publicly provoke them?
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The pictures are just as provocative as burning the Koran to fundamental Islamic militants.
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therealUT said:
The pictures are just as provocative as burning the Koran to fundamental Islamic militants.
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But that is not the point, the point is the intent of the person publishing the picture or burning the book.

A person can innocently say, "I didn't know that a picture was so offensive."

No one can say "I didn't know burning a religious book was offensive."
 
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#72
Call me crazy, but I think they're more upset that we've had them on the run for 10 years.
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#73
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nbakerld said:
But that is not the point, the point is the intent of the person publishing the picture or burning the book.

A person can innocently say, "I didn't know that a picture was so offensive."

No one can say "I didn't know burning a religious book was offensive."
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the cartoonist who created the picture did know that muslims found it offensive before he did it.
 
#74
#74
I bet this story get buried on the evening news behind the NE snowstorm and a stupid April Fools story.
 
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#75
nbakerld said:
It appears to me that he called him an idiot for provoking the incident. I don't see him actually putting the blame on Jones and absolving the radicals which is how people reacted to this post.
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lawgator1 said:
The more I think about this, the more I hope that Jones is prosecuted. Not sure what he could be charged with, but I hope they can apply something to him and lock him away for a long, long time.
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Would he suggest a long, long stay in prison if he was blameless? He even went to the extent of finding "something" that would apply.
 
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